Speed Warning for Nemo, Fiorino & Bipper

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AJM sameday Couriers

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Original Poster

Please go onto what van site, look on news page and read about speed warning for Nemo, Fiorino & bippers, its bonkers.

Website Admin

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Got a link?

Website Admin

6679

OK, I'll get it for you...

What Van said:


Operators of the Citroen Nemo, Fiat Fiorino, and Peugeot Bipper are being alerted to the fact their vehicles are subject to lower speed limits on dual carriageways and single-lane A-roads. What Van? is aware of a trio of cases where drivers were stopped by police for doing speeds acceptable for most light vans, but, due to an anomaly in the rules, not these three, which must not exceed 50mph on single-lane roads and 60mph on dual carriageways.

Speed Warning for Nemo Fiorino & Bipper

S.E.X.I.

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Having read the item which says A car derived van has the same legal speed as a car. Unless .... The van came first off the production line, Does this mean a van derived car is restricted to the same speed limit as the van ... It being a van derived car...?

Answers on a post card please. !

Coalville Courier

95

Has there been any more clarification regarding speed limits and the car derived thing for small vans?

Because of the conflicting views I've seen online I am starting to get a bit paranoid in my old age.

As far as I'm concerned my berlingo has a total laden weight of 1945kg, under 2 tonnes fully loaded and was based on the Citroen CX. That's according to Wikipedia and the Peugeot partner was based on the Peugeot 306.

I'd be interested to know if any Citroen berlingo or Peugeot partner drivers on here have been issued a ticket for doing over 50mph on a single carriageway or over 60mph on a dual.

SMH

1863

Any thing that they make as a car doblo/berlingo/partner can do the speed limits of a car

Roll on next year no more bloody 40mph for wagons :-)))))

Dennis

676

Look at your logbook. It has to be described as Car Derived Van and have a gross weight less than 2,000kg

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Asap-Direct

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I had Doblo a while back that was restricted by being over 2 tonnes

Coalville Courier

95

Dennis said:


Look at your logbook. It has to be described as Car Derived Van and have a gross weight less than 2,000kg

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Dennis, I don't think it's as straightforward as that. Yours is described as "Car derived van" and mine is described as "Panel van" yet your van carries 5kg more than mine. It's this that's confusing the issue regarding the article on the "What van" web site.

ATM Logistics

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Ignore the weight for the first step, the first step is to conclude what type of van it is. Then look at the weight.

Saying Dennis' can carry 5kg more is irrelevant.

And SEXI, no, in the same way a Tourneo has a higher speed limit than a transit based on the fact it is designed for carrying people and not goods.

In theory people are safer to transport than goods as they are strapped in, and evenly distributed.

Dennis

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Coalville Courier said:


Dennis, I don't think it's as straightforward as that. Yours is described as "Car derived van" and mine is described as "Panel van" yet your van carries 5kg more than mine. It's this that's confusing the issue regarding the article on the "What van" web site.

Yes it IS that straightforward - a panel van is not a car derivative. A car derived van can run the same speed limits as a car UNLESS it is designed to carry more than 2,000kg. Back along, I bought the heavier load (850kg) Kangoo and then discovered that it was over the limit, so I have not repeated the mistake since. Had to groan at the salesman who had no idea about this restriction. At least one of the small vans (Caddy, perhaps?) is not car derived because there's no car version and another (Citroen, Peugeot, Vauxhall?) isn't because the car version came out after the van!

AJM sameday Couriers

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Original Poster

Berlingo 850kg gross 2165kg = 60mph

Berlingo 625k gross 1935kg = 70 mph

Speed Couriers Nationwide Ltd

10314

As no one sticks to the speed limits does it matter one jot?

AJM sameday Couriers

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Original Poster

Speed Couriers Nationwide Ltd said:


As no one sticks to the speed limits does it matter one jot?

Only if you get pulled over by Mr Rosser.

Speed Couriers Nationwide Ltd

10314

But if you're you're doin 90 it doesn't matter what you're driving. Its still over the limit... Or are you lot saying you stay within the speed limits? Really?

A E Delivery

751

White Van Man, do i need say more? If your not speeding its because you have slowed down to send a txt or your worried you might drop your chips

Andy McTighe

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The only speed limit I push is the 50mph one because at that speed you are a moving chicane on some roads.

Dennis

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What everyone seems to be forgetting is that commercial vehicles have lower speed limits than cars. In their superior wisdom (???), the powers that be have decided to make an exception for car derived vans below 2,000kg gross weight, which are permitted to follow car speed limits. That exception only applies to vans which meet that description, so if you haven't got one, you're on the standard commercial vehicle speed limits, learn to live with it.

And anybody who customarily exceeds the speed limits can't call himself a professional driver - and if he gets caught, the law may take away his licence to drive. He should also consider that if he gets caught by a police hofficer, that hofficer will without doubt deliberately delay him for far longer than the few minutes he may have gained by speeding.

RGM Courier Services

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Dennis said:


What everyone seems to be forgetting is that commercial vehicles have lower speed limits than cars. In their superior wisdom (???), the powers that be have decided to make an exception for car derived vans below 2,000kg gross weight, which are permitted to follow car speed limits. That exception only applies to vans which meet that description, so if you haven't got one, you're on the standard commercial vehicle speed limits, learn to live with it.

And anybody who customarily exceeds the speed limits can't call himself a professional driver - and if he gets caught, the law may take away his licence to drive. He should also consider that if he gets caught by a police hofficer, that hofficer will without doubt deliberately delay him for far longer than the few minutes he may have gained by speeding.

Agree 100%. Plus, I wouldn't like to be responsible for killing someone's family by speeding. Get your priorities right. Start off earlier then you won't have to speed.

Andy McTighe

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A E Delivery said:


White Van Man, do i need say more? If your not speeding its because you have slowed down to send a txt or your worried you might drop your chips

That's not fair, it was crisps not chips and my van is yellow.

ATM Logistics

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RGM Courier Services said:


Dennis said:


What everyone seems to be forgetting is that commercial vehicles have lower speed limits than cars. In their superior wisdom (???), the powers that be have decided to make an exception for car derived vans below 2,000kg gross weight, which are permitted to follow car speed limits. That exception only applies to vans which meet that description, so if you haven't got one, you're on the standard commercial vehicle speed limits, learn to live with it.

And anybody who customarily exceeds the speed limits can't call himself a professional driver - and if he gets caught, the law may take away his licence to drive. He should also consider that if he gets caught by a police hofficer, that hofficer will without doubt deliberately delay him for far longer than the few minutes he may have gained by speeding.

Agree 100%. Plus, I wouldn't like to be responsible for killing someone's family by speeding. Get your priorities right. Start off earlier then you won't have to speed.

Odd statement when a great deal of jobs are call and go

Speed Couriers Nationwide Ltd

10314

If you drive for a living then you're a professional, ie your profession is driving... Whether you break the speed limit or not. What it doesn't necessarily do is make you think about the repercussions of your actions, that takes a bit of consideration, sadly lacking when you're up against a deadline and being chased by your controller/customer

Dennis

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ATM Logistics said:


RGM Courier Services said:


Dennis said:


What everyone seems to be forgetting is that commercial vehicles have lower speed limits than cars. In their superior wisdom (???), the powers that be have decided to make an exception for car derived vans below 2,000kg gross weight, which are permitted to follow car speed limits. That exception only applies to vans which meet that description, so if you haven't got one, you're on the standard commercial vehicle speed limits, learn to live with it.

And anybody who customarily exceeds the speed limits can't call himself a professional driver - and if he gets caught, the law may take away his licence to drive. He should also consider that if he gets caught by a police hofficer, that hofficer will without doubt deliberately delay him for far longer than the few minutes he may have gained by speeding.

Agree 100%. Plus, I wouldn't like to be responsible for killing someone's family by speeding. Get your priorities right. Start off earlier then you won't have to speed.

Odd statement when a great deal of jobs are call and go

RGM is right, but with the call and go jobs, just make sure your vendor knows you won't exceed the speed limit to get there. And prfeferably give an estimated journey time before you pick up. When somebody tells me it's got to be there by 4pm, if I don't have spare time to cover odd traffic problems, I'll tell them I can't get there by that time, only ASAP. There are too many professional courier companies who don't seem to realise that they can only blame "stuck in traffic" so many times, then the customer gets wise. I used to get this regularly from one firm who asked me to meet their driver to transfer a load and their driver was always VERY late.

Dennis

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Speed Couriers Nationwide Ltd said:


If you drive for a living then you're a professional, ie your profession is driving... Whether you break the speed limit or not.

Speed, I have always considered that EVERYTHING you write on this forum is absolutely spot on. And this is too, insofar as a professional earns a living from it.

But nowadays, "professional" has long been a description of more than just "earning". In this trade, it means driving legally, being fully insured, having a vehicle which is roadworthy and anything else which I'm sure you too see as part of the trade. So to me, anybody who customarily exceeds the speed limit is not doing a professional job of it. Same as the cowboys who drive clapped out vans, for 22 hours, after a couple of pints and without insurance. Allow me to slightly disagree with you this once.

A E Delivery

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Andy McTighe said:


A E Delivery said:


White Van Man, do i need say more? If your not speeding its because you have slowed down to send a txt or your worried you might drop your chips

That's not fair, it was crisps not chips and my van is yellow.

POSH , We can only afford white around here . I`ll bet you dont even have a 3 copys of the daily sport and 12 maccy d milkshake cups on your dash , bet its costa coffee all the way with you

SMH

1863

ATM Logistics said:


Ignore the weight for the first step, the first step is to conclude what type of van it is. Then look at the weight.

Saying Dennis' can carry 5kg more is irrelevant.

And SEXI, no, in the same way a Tourneo has a higher speed limit than a transit based on the fact it is designed for carrying people and not goods.

In theory people are safer to transport than goods as they are strapped in, and evenly distributed.

And so should goods (strapped down and evenly distributed)

SMH

1863

ATM Logistics said:


Ignore the weight for the first step, the first step is to conclude what type of van it is. Then look at the weight.

Saying Dennis' can carry 5kg more is irrelevant.

And SEXI, no, in the same way a Tourneo has a higher speed limit than a transit based on the fact it is designed for carrying people and not goods.

In theory people are safer to transport than goods as they are strapped in, and evenly distributed.

And what does a navara pickup come under as its designed for both :-)

PB Express

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Commercial vehicle

Single carriageway 50 mph Dual carriageway. 60 mph

END OF

I think some of you could do with going on a speed awareness course

AM-PM Despatch

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Vauxhall Combo 2000 car based van, light goods vehicle. 60mph dual carriage ways.

Just for info came across a free weighbridge on Monday. My axle weights with me & 40ltres of fuel 800 front 460 rear. Leaving a load of 535kg van a bit heavier than I thought? Weighbridge is at West Yorkshire Joint services, junction of Nepshaw lane south and the A650, LS27 7JQ

Andy McTighe

796

SMH said:


ATM Logistics said:


Ignore the weight for the first step, the first step is to conclude what type of van it is. Then look at the weight.

Saying Dennis' can carry 5kg more is irrelevant.

And SEXI, no, in the same way a Tourneo has a higher speed limit than a transit based on the fact it is designed for carrying people and not goods.

In theory people are safer to transport than goods as they are strapped in, and evenly distributed.

And what does a navara pickup come under as its designed for both :-)

All pickup trucks are LCV's and subject to the lower speed limits. The double cab is not built to M1 standard it is built to N1 standard (no crash test)

AJM sameday Couriers

3440
Original Poster

Andy McTighe said:


SMH said:


ATM Logistics said:


Ignore the weight for the first step, the first step is to conclude what type of van it is. Then look at the weight.

Saying Dennis' can carry 5kg more is irrelevant.

And SEXI, no, in the same way a Tourneo has a higher speed limit than a transit based on the fact it is designed for carrying people and not goods.

In theory people are safer to transport than goods as they are strapped in, and evenly distributed.

And what does a navara pickup come under as its designed for both :-)

All pickup trucks are LCV's and subject to the lower speed limits. The double cab is not built to M1 standard it is built to N1 standard (no crash test)

You will find that the Navara pickup is only used for school runs so rarely goes above 45mph

Andy McTighe

796

A E Delivery said:


Andy McTighe said:


A E Delivery said:


White Van Man, do i need say more? If your not speeding its because you have slowed down to send a txt or your worried you might drop your chips

That's not fair, it was crisps not chips and my van is yellow.

POSH , We can only afford white around here . I`ll bet you dont even have a 3 copys of the daily sport and 12 maccy d milkshake cups on your dash , bet its costa coffee all the way with you

Costa Coffee? Only when I can't find a Waitrose ;-)

SMH

1863

PB Express said:


Commercial vehicle

Single carriageway 50 mph Dual carriageway. 60 mph

END OF

I think some of you could do with going on a speed awareness course

My navara is a commercial at 2300kgs but i have the speed limits of a car ;)

SMH

1863

it is a Dual purpose vehicle this means there are no vehicle speed restrictions applied

Under Construction and Use Regulations it is a Dual purpose vehicle this means there are no vehicle speed restrictions applied

Andy McTighe

796

SMH said:


it is a Dual purpose vehicle this means there are no vehicle speed restrictions applied

Under Construction and Use Regulations it is a Dual purpose vehicle this means there are no vehicle speed restrictions applied

Indeed they are. Interesting because they are homologated in Class N1 LCV which is why there used to be a big tax break on using them as company cars. I used to import Toyotas, Mitsubishis and Isuzus.

.

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It's sad that although most of us know what our speed limits are, car drivers haven't a clue, they get the hump with me for doing 50 on a single carriageway road, trying to get past me, flashing, driving on my bumper etc, very tempting to brake test them sometimes

Andy McTighe

796

Addams UK Express said:


It's sad that although most of us know what our speed limits are, car drivers haven't a clue, they get the hump with me for doing 50 on a single carriageway road, trying to get past me, flashing, driving on my bumper etc, very tempting to brake test them sometimes

You can make them all disappear by simply not looking in your mirrors. Remember, if you can't see them they don't exist.

.

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It's quite tempting to slow right down to about 25, specially if it's a winding road so they have no way of getting past :-)

PC Haulage Services

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I was led to believe that any van not car based was at the lower limit unless it was a dual purpose Vehicle under 3.5t ie minibus, crew-cab or camper van conversion If you fitted a fold up bench seat with seat belts in the back and a side window in the sliding door And informed your insurance and dvla of the changes it then becomes a dual purpose vehicle as most vans have been type approved for that use

ATM Logistics

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SMH said:


ATM Logistics said:


Ignore the weight for the first step, the first step is to conclude what type of van it is. Then look at the weight.

Saying Dennis' can carry 5kg more is irrelevant.

And SEXI, no, in the same way a Tourneo has a higher speed limit than a transit based on the fact it is designed for carrying people and not goods.

In theory people are safer to transport than goods as they are strapped in, and evenly distributed.

And so should goods (strapped down and evenly distributed)

Not necessarily, a heavy pallet may well be strapped in, and placed in the bets position, and be legal on all axles, it doesn't make it evenly distributed.

I am merely stating the logic behind it, not an every case scenario.

ATM Logistics

293

PB Express said:


Commercial vehicle

Single carriageway 50 mph Dual carriageway. 60 mph

END OF

I think some of you could do with going on a speed awareness course

That statement is wrong, a CDV is still a commercial vehicle, a 7.5t, 18t is a commercial vehicle too.

As SMH says Dual purpose vehicles, which also includes some DCIV Transits etc have the same speed limit as a car

Coalville Courier

95

Dennis said:


Coalville Courier said:


Dennis, I don't think it's as straightforward as that. Yours is described as "Car derived van" and mine is described as "Panel van" yet your van carries 5kg more than mine. It's this that's confusing the issue regarding the article on the "What van" web site.

Yes it IS that straightforward - a panel van is not a car derivative. A car derived van can run the same speed limits as a car UNLESS it is designed to carry more than 2,000kg. Back along, I bought the heavier load (850kg) Kangoo and then discovered that it was over the limit, so I have not repeated the mistake since. Had to groan at the salesman who had no idea about this restriction. At least one of the small vans (Caddy, perhaps?) is not car derived because there's no car version and another (Citroen, Peugeot, Vauxhall?) isn't because the car version came out after the van!

Dennis, do you have the Kangoo ML19 Sport? I see that the V5 says body type CDV, but the Renault web site describes the body type as "Panel Van". In fact the web site describes all their small vans as "Panel Van".

if the manufacturer can't make its mind up. What chance has the rest of us got? when confronted with a speeding ticket?

ATM Logistics

293

But they are different vans, and marketing descriptions are not the same as a definition in the legislation. In all honesty I would suggest neither fit the technical definition of a car derived van. The only way I can see a particular van of that ilk being defined would be by case law.

Coalville Courier

95

ATM Logistics said:


But they are different vans, and marketing descriptions are not the same as a definition in the legislation. In all honesty I would suggest neither fit the technical definition of a car derived van. The only way I can see a particular van of that ilk being defined would be by case law.

Spot on Alex, agree totally with that.

Dennis

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Coalville Courier said:


Dennis said:


Coalville Courier said:


Dennis, I don't think it's as straightforward as that. Yours is described as "Car derived van" and mine is described as "Panel van" yet your van carries 5kg more than mine. It's this that's confusing the issue regarding the article on the "What van" web site.

Yes it IS that straightforward - a panel van is not a car derivative. A car derived van can run the same speed limits as a car UNLESS it is designed to carry more than 2,000kg. Back along, I bought the heavier load (850kg) Kangoo and then discovered that it was over the limit, so I have not repeated the mistake since. Had to groan at the salesman who had no idea about this restriction. At least one of the small vans (Caddy, perhaps?) is not car derived because there's no car version and another (Citroen, Peugeot, Vauxhall?) isn't because the car version came out after the van!

Dennis, do you have the Kangoo ML19 Sport? I see that the V5 says body type CDV, but the Renault web site describes the body type as "Panel Van". In fact the web site describes all their small vans as "Panel Van".

if the manufacturer can't make its mind up. What chance has the rest of us got? when confronted with a speeding ticket?

Yes, ML19 Sport. As far as I'm concerned, it's Car Derived Van as stated on the V5 and I carry a copy of the V5 in the van at all times, just like I carry a copy of all my insurances, then I can respond immediately on the spot to the lawman.

AJM sameday Couriers

3440
Original Poster

The HGV speed limit on dual carriageways is to rise from 50 to 60mph in April 2015, how/why thought all UK trucks where restricted this Country is bonkers roll on 2020.

Fastback Parcel Solutions

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Yep you are correct, 90kph= 56mph... As the yanks so go figure eh

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