City Sprint.

All I am looking for is the correct response to how much City Sprint pay per mile for a Small Van.

Granted the web is full with bad and some good reviews but is it down to "you only get back what you put in"

Verdict?

Jamie

9/16 of £*%& all. Save yourself the bother.

47pplm. That's per loaded mile, not round trip.

Rate varies from depot to depot and what contract it is. Anything from 40p upto 60pplm.

Despite all the doom merchants they can be a good tool as an add on to other work, I just wouldn't recommend relying on them solely for your income.

Have to agree with M+P regarding relying on them solely... We had been approached by CS Leeds a couple of yr ago, asking for bikes to cover city centre work all week, yes I would provide with what they were asking for on our terms and our rate... Lets just say after a bit of upset after what they told me, I told em I wouldn't get outta bed for that @ 40pplm, so my rate or nothing!!!!... Nothing it is then, couldn't be more happier, never worked for them and never will.

Hi from Plymouth citysprint its 50pplm 60 if your vat registered

kcl couriers said:

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Hi from Plymouth citysprint its 50pplm 60 if your vat registered

No, that'll be 50p or 50p + vat!

City is 50 per load mile

I had one guy local to me asking to work for us, saying he averages 42ppm per mile driven with City Sprint

ATM Logistics said:

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I had one guy local to me asking to work for us, saying he averages 42ppm per mile driven with City Sprint

Thats not a bad subbie rate! I thought they paid 26p per traveled mile [52p loaded]

Small van = 53p per loaded mile, admitted it's not great but on the up side you can generally find a load going back somewhere close to where you started provided you make the effort to call the nearest branch.

How can anybody get motivated with people like this the word Citysprint should be banned from this forum or put into the jokes section 5 years ago they offered me 46 pence per mile ye right when do I start?

AJM sameday Couriers said:

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How can anybody get motivated with people like this the word Citysprint should be banned from this forum or put into the jokes section 5 years ago they offered me 46 pence per mile ye right when do I start?

+1 - plus, anybody working for that rate should be banned as they're not real couriers.

1991, paid 34 pence per running mile... Says it all really

David Litchfield said:

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Small van = 53p per loaded mile, admitted it's not great but on the up side you can generally find a load going back somewhere close to where you started provided you make the effort to call the nearest branch.

Point is you should be getting a fair rate on your outbound job from them, you should not have to reply on a backload just to make a fair days pay.

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1991, paid 34 pence per running mile... Says it all really

Diesel was 45p per litre in 1991.

I don't see the problem. If Citysprint were a small firm with not much work I wouldn't drive for 53p per loaded mile, BUT the fact of the matter is they're not a small firm, they have loads of work, and because of this travelling empty is kept to a minimum, therefore, the low pplm is not so much of an issue. Sure, I'd like to go back to the days when I could deliver a few passports and earn £300 a day, but those days are long gone. So, I can either sit around waiting for someone to post a job that pays a high rate, or I can get out of my chair and get earning.

David Litchfield said:

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I don't see the problem. If Citysprint were a small firm with not much work I wouldn't drive for 53p per loaded mile, BUT the fact of the matter is they're not a small firm, they have loads of work, and because of this travelling empty is kept to a minimum, therefore, the low pplm is not so much of an issue. Sure, I'd like to go back to the days when I could deliver a few passports and earn £300 a day, but those days are long gone. So, I can either sit around waiting for someone to post a job that pays a high rate, or I can get out of my chair and get earning.

But if drivers refused to work for the at such low rates it would force them to pay you a fair rate and you would still get the back loads from them.

GJC EXPRESS COURIER said:

But if drivers refused to work for the at such low rates it would force them to pay you a fair rate and you would still get the back loads from them.

You're kinda getting my point now...... When I get the offer of a better paying load I take it, and use CS when I've delivered, but when there are no better offers on the table I'd rather be earning something than nothing.

Rico is currently paying an average rate of just 44p per loaded mile! I asked one of their drivers who seemed happy to be getting that.

He was of west African appearance and tongue and was driving a "Y" plated Renault people carrier.

Nuff said

David Litchfield said:

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I'd rather be earning something than nothing.

BUT with CitySprint rates you are NOT earning, you are (perhaps) covering running costs, although I doubt it. Or in other words, nothing.

Dennis said:

BUT with CitySprint rates you are NOT earning, you are (perhaps) covering running costs, although I doubt it. Or in other words, nothing.

Don't kid yourself, I'm managing to do so as well as running a new (64 plate) Peugeot Partner

But are you paying yourself a wage? You must be clocking some serious mileage to get even near a decent week's money

City Sprint? All I ever see of them is small vans doing 50 mph trying to scrape a few more miles out of a gallon. Should be called City Stroll.

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Sure, I'd like to go back to the days when I could deliver a few passports and earn £300 a day, but those days are long gone.

SMS or SDS ? I used to work for those guys , did 3.5 years before it went belly up .

But getting back to s/sprint , i think theres a responsibility for pay an outbound full rate and they dont do this . Relying on earning a crust by having to get a backload is a tough business to be in and generally speaking people use a backload to prosper rather than just get by . I am pleased your doing ok but its not for me .

To be honest if you don't like what a company pays don't work for them! Why people berate those that decide to work for low rates is beyond me. If it suits them, good luck to them, it is because the likes of CS can find drivers to work for them, that they continue to pay what is understood to be a low rate, they would have to pay more if they were unable to recruit drivers. Personally I don't blame them, if they are successful, their business model is obviously working, so why pay more!

How some operate is miles apart from how I choose [and chose, years ago when subbing] I cant be arsed looking for cheap fuel, or backloads, its too much hassle FOR ME! I always use Tolls, avoid cheap ferries, and try to stay in hotels when I can. It suits me and that is all that matters, good luck if others want to do it another way, that is their choice, if it woeks for them GREAT!

I think it just sticks in peoples throats that one of the biggest sameday players keeps the rates so low.

I picked up 10,000 euros in the centre of Cardiff from a currency exchange place, walked 400 yards to my van. The money is given to you just in a grey plastic bag, delivered it to a company in Barry docks, about 6 miles away, and only get £5.00 for that. So glad I got out of it. But by all means, no harm in trying them for backloads. I don't suppose they would answer my phone after why I told them I was leaving.

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I think it just sticks in peoples throats that one of the biggest sameday players keeps the rates so low.

Yep, has a marked effect on the industry as a whole. The socialist in me finds its exploitative to the workforce which is the part i dont like the most. If s/sprint want to quote uber low to get work then fine but pay the people who do the work a decent wage. That is entirely about profit margins

Viva la revolution

And encourages law breaking!

My tip of the Day, just forget about them and spend your time looking for A decent wage.

The Birmingham depot pay 52pplm.

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I think it just sticks in peoples throats that one of the biggest sameday players keeps the rates so low.

Southampton depot charged a non-account customer £1.95pplm + fuel surcharge for a 85 mile small van job couple of weeks ago.

M & P Express said:

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I think it just sticks in peoples throats that one of the biggest sameday players keeps the rates so low.

Southampton depot charged a non-account customer £1.95pplm + fuel surcharge for a 85 mile small van job couple of weeks ago.

HOW DO YOU KNOW?

Good luck to them getting away with charging so much. It is ALL about making money in business, as I have said before the blame for them paying poor rates lies with the drivers that take on the badly paying jobs.
They would have to pay more if they could not source drivers to work for them at their prices.

Also it matters not what they charge their customers, the bottom line is if you do not like what is offered DON'T do it!

Happy Christmas everybody!

Citysprint would have you on call today for 50pplm Happy Christmas everyone

AV Courier Service (Norwich) said:

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Citysprint would have you on call today for 50pplm Happy Christmas everyone

So tell them it would be double time, else don't bother

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I think it just sticks in peoples throats that one of the biggest sameday players keeps the rates so low.

Southampton depot charged a non-account customer £1.95pplm + fuel surcharge for a 85 mile small van job couple of weeks ago.

HOW DO YOU KNOW?

Because I did the job for £70 as a return load, along with another en-route, and both on the way home.

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I think it just sticks in peoples throats that one of the biggest sameday players keeps the rates so low.

Southampton depot charged a non-account customer £1.95pplm + fuel surcharge for a 85 mile small van job couple of weeks ago.

HOW DO YOU KNOW?

Because I did the job for £70 as a return load, along with another en-route, and both on the way home.

Out of interest how did you find out about there billing costs?

I can never understand the fixation about how much money a company are making. It is nothing to do with anyone else other than the vendor and their customer.
All that matters is the 'deal' between the vendor and driver, if unhappy with what is being offered ... Move on and don't do it. It really is that simple.

RAPID LIGHT TRANSPORT LTD. said:

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I can never understand the fixation about how much money a company are making. It is nothing to do with anyone else other than the vendor and their customer.
All that matters is the 'deal' between the vendor and driver, if unhappy with what is being offered ... Move on and don't do it. It really is that simple.

Well said Alan.

RAPID LIGHT TRANSPORT LTD. said:

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I can never understand the fixation about how much money a company are making. It is nothing to do with anyone else other than the vendor and their customer.
All that matters is the 'deal' between the vendor and driver, if unhappy with what is being offered ... Move on and don't do it. It really is that simple.

Ok yes it isnt anything to do with anyone beyond the 2 contractual parties.

But this is a forum and it is therefore fair to consider all matters including accounting and billing including profit margins and turnover.

As a subby its also in someones interest to find companys to work for that pay appropriate amounts to be able to perpetuate working rather than be exploited by companys who aim to pay low to maximise there profit margins at the massive detriment of the workforce. Its true everyone is free to charge whatever they like and its also true no-one wants to find they have been working for peanuts and there not getting either an industry standard or expectation.

Yes we as a workforce are free to work with whom we like in the manner we want but also free to slowly go bankrupt or find a subsidence living only unless we are given the benefit of experience of others .

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I think it just sticks in peoples throats that one of the biggest sameday players keeps the rates so low.

Southampton depot charged a non-account customer £1.95pplm + fuel surcharge for a 85 mile small van job couple of weeks ago.

HOW DO YOU KNOW?

Because I did the job for £70 as a return load, along with another en-route, and both on the way home.

Out of interest how did you find out about there billing costs?

Young girl in the local City Sprint office is my dominatrix and let slip one day

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I think it just sticks in peoples throats that one of the biggest sameday players keeps the rates so low.

Southampton depot charged a non-account customer £1.95pplm + fuel surcharge for a 85 mile small van job couple of weeks ago.

HOW DO YOU KNOW?

Because I did the job for £70 as a return load, along with another en-route, and both on the way home.

Out of interest how did you find out about there billing costs?

Young girl in the local City Sprint office is my dominatrix and let slip one day

Your safe words whats the rates

A E Delivery said:

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RAPID LIGHT TRANSPORT LTD. said:

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I can never understand the fixation about how much money a company are making. It is nothing to do with anyone else other than the vendor and their customer.
All that matters is the 'deal' between the vendor and driver, if unhappy with what is being offered ... Move on and don't do it. It really is that simple.

Ok yes it isnt anything to do with anyone beyond the 2 contractual parties.

But this is a forum and it is therefore fair to consider all matters including accounting and billing including profit margins and turnover.

As a subby its also in someones interest to find companys to work for that pay appropriate amounts to be able to perpetuate working rather than be exploited by companys who aim to pay low to maximise there profit margins at the massive detriment of the workforce. Its true everyone is free to charge whatever they like and its also true no-one wants to find they have been working for peanuts and there not getting either an industry standard or expectation.

Yes we as a workforce are free to work with whom we like in the manner we want but also free to slowly go bankrupt or find a subsidence living only unless we are given the benefit of experience of others .

I do some poor paying jobs off them, but if it fits in with what other stuff I've done/doing then why not?

By the same token, I've also subbed jobs out that I've lost money on and others that I've looked at and asked myself 'how can they afford to charge so little?'. I tend not to worry about what others charge, just in what I charge. As Alan said, if I'm not happy with what is on offer I won't do the job. Simple.

And as Gavin quite rightly said ' if it fits in with what other stuff I've done/doing then why not?'

People seem to bother themselves about 'stuff' they can't influence anyway

Hope you had a good Christmas Gavin? Happy and prosperous new year to you too!

RAPID LIGHT TRANSPORT LTD. said:

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Hope you had a good Christmas Gavin? Happy and prosperous new year to you too!

Cheers Alan, and to you. Next time your Mrs calls hopefully I won't be crossing the bridge into Wales

ATM Logistics said:

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I had one guy local to me asking to work for us, saying he averages 42ppm per mile driven with City Sprint

That might have been me. Yes, that is the average driven rate which I have achieved both driving solely for them, and over the past month whilst taking on other work as well. I appreciate that not all drivers will earn this, depending on which depot they are at, whether the 'controllers' have certain favoured drivers, etc.

On a job by job basis the rates vary enormously. The worst is public sector work (hospitals, MOD) where the rate is typically 48-50pplm. More usually the rate is 52pplm. However, I have done some jobs where i've been paid over £1pplm (secure data job paid £127 from Cambridge to Southampton, I also got £360 for a 6 drop baggage run over 327 miles).

My average rate comes about from getting CS backloads around 75% of the time and from double-ups. There will always be days when you only get a single, and on those days you basically have to write it off and hope things look good on the weekly basis, which they usually do.

City Sprint for sale. Sky news.

linky

CitySprint describes itself as the largest privately owned same-day distribution company in the UK And I thought that was the 'expert'

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CitySprint describes itself as the largest privately owned same-day distribution company in the UK And I thought that was the 'expert'

I think he's issuing court proceedings.

What they are paying for LWB job? Same as small van rates?

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What they are paying for LWB job? Same as small van rates?

Ready the tissues, there are going to be tears

Is it the End for City Sprint as it is "up for sale" or they making sure they do not go the same way as City link? Sad day today as near my local City Link branch a precession of vans going about 40mph on the A38 along with some on trailers. I wonder what will happen to the vans as next big area from Plymouth is Bristol..

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How can anybody get motivated with people like this the word Citysprint should be banned from this forum or put into the jokes section 5 years ago they offered me 46 pence per mile ye right when do I start?

+1 - plus, anybody working for that rate should be banned as they're not real couriers.

Couldn't agree more Bob! Also agree with previous posts... Where on earth do these comeanies get these rates from? 40-50 pplm...