Tax free green diesel

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Taxitim

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Tax free Green Diesel. I'm using it, is anyone else?

Garnham Courier Services

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I don't even know where to get it, but some say it's great and others say it's not good for your engine, but they said that about LPG and I ran a Jimny on that for thousands of miles without any trouble, Always worth looking into tho'

Asap-Direct

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Where do you get. Is it legal

Andy McTighe

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Seems to be duty free for the first 2500 litres and the conversion costs about £1100 and you can buy the cleaned veg oil for about 65p a litre on eBay. However, it kills warranties stone dead.

Saddlebow Deliveries

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Thanks but no thanks

AV Courier Service (Norwich)

257

Van smells like a chip shop & the crispy bits clog the fuel filter lol

AM-PM Despatch

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4-5 yrs ago had an Astra 1.7d and used to put veg oil in at 50p/ltre then in the spate of a month it went up to £1+ It actually ran better but did smell like a chip chop when stopped at lights.

Bennetts Distribution

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New sprinters run like a bag of s*** on it and also invalidates the warranty, one of my drivers has a 55 plate iveco and he swears by it but he has to change filters in between every service

A E Delivery

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Vegetable oil from your local chippy, the bits drained off and thats about it. Works great on certain motors but not on others due to vrs reasons but mainly down to the fuel pump and fuel injection system. Its possible to run it neat but its always best IMO to thin it out, summer ive ran at 75% and a few years ago with the fuel strikes i ran at 100% ( toyota hiace`s ) but tend to go to around 30% when theres ice on the ground. I also have a bottle outside so i can see the solidification of the oil so i can guess what to mix at. I havnt spent a grand on a glorified filter system and i tend to buy oil from a certain indian takeaway supplier at around the £1 a litre

Speed Couriers Nationwide Ltd

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Well i'm all for maximising profits where you can, but for me i think its a false economy. Yes it's cheaper to buy, but the extra expense on servicing makes it minimal.

More importantly perhaps is the stench left behind after you've loaded up and left the customers premises. Not something i'd want my customers to experience but each to their own.

So now not only do i have to wonder if the drivers are insured correctly, have an adequate vehicle for the job, but what type of fuel they're using?

M & P Express

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Don't forget to notify the authorities so you can pay the fuel duty over a certain mileage

Andy McTighe

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Speed Couriers Nationwide Ltd said:


Well i'm all for maximising profits where you can, but for me i think its a false economy. Yes it's cheaper to buy, but the extra expense on servicing makes it minimal.

More importantly perhaps is the stench left behind after you've loaded up and left the customers premises. Not something i'd want my customers to experience but each to their own.

So now not only do i have to wonder if the drivers are insured correctly, have an adequate vehicle for the job, but what type of fuel they're using?

Hopefully none of them are on natural methane.

021 SAMEDAY

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A E Delivery said: i tend to buy oil from a certain indian takeaway supplier at around the £1 a litre

So that is a whole 5.71 pence per litre cheaper than we were paying last week at motorway services !

A E Delivery

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Speed Couriers Nationwide Ltd said:


Well i'm all for maximising profits where you can, but for me i think its a false economy. Yes it's cheaper to buy, but the extra expense on servicing makes it minimal.

More importantly perhaps is the stench left behind after you've loaded up and left the customers premises. Not something i'd want my customers to experience but each to their own.

So now not only do i have to wonder if the drivers are insured correctly, have an adequate vehicle for the job, but what type of fuel they're using?

The stink isnt there at 30% but above this yep you drive round hungry. Oddly the chippy smell is still there even when your using fresh not recycled. Also perhaps oddly i have never had anyone notice any smell unless i pointed it out.

A E Delivery

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021 SAMEDAY said:


A E Delivery said: i tend to buy oil from a certain indian takeaway supplier at around the £1 a litre

So that is a whole 5.71 pence per litre cheaper than we were paying last week at motorway services !

I assume fuel card and claiming VAT back? Personally i don't walk that path. its more an environmental standpoint of rape seed oil being a resource that's renewable rather than slaughtering the remaining resources we have. I cant wait for hybrid vans to hit the streets and have thought about the Toyota estima hybrid as a viable vehicle if i ripped out the interior. I was born too late and should have been a hippy

Legrys Express Ltd

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I wouldnt run it in any comon rail van it'll knacker the injection system up.

GeeGee vans

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A friend of mine (very careful with money) decided to run his 05 Shogun on it. The engine in one of those is basically out of a tractor. It lasted for three weeks and he ended up changing the rail, fuel pump and a few other bits and peices. Cost him an absolute fortune

A E Delivery

751

GeeGee vans said:


A friend of mine (very careful with money) decided to run his 05 Shogun on it. The engine in one of those is basically out of a tractor. It lasted for three weeks and he ended up changing the rail, fuel pump and a few other bits and peices. Cost him an absolute fortune

There are horror stories out there for sure, i have come across someone with a citroen who also had the top end of his engine start to knock its teeth out attributable to using oil but then its engine to engine. Best bet is to check up and check out to see if others have used it before trying it yourself. This is what i do and have never had even a moments issue using it.

http://www.bristolbiofuel.com/about.html

It isnt strictly true about the freezing part given that when the temperature drops bellow 5 degrees the oil wont freeze but it goes gloopy as anything and i wouldnt want to try to get that through my injectors. It becomes unuseable . Winter time figure 25-30 as a MAX.

Nightrider

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Using Biofuel is unfortunately not as green as some would like to think. The farmer alone will use about 10% of what is produced to run his machinery. Then there is fertilizer, weed killer, and pesticide which all requires energy to produce and transport, and also harms the environment. Then you have to transport and refine the seeds, and then process them into oil, then transport the finished product, which all uses lots of power. If 747's ran on biodiesel you would need to farm about 500 acres for every single flight.

Biodiesel has about 3/4 the energy per litre as diesel so you will require 1 and 1/3 more per mile.

Modern injector pumps are lubricated by the fuel, which by design is diesel. You can run Jet fuel, biodiesel, and even petrol in a diesel, but depending on the manufacturer there is a good chance the pump will seize sooner or later.

Ten years ago I ran my Transit on cooking oil out of Tescos. The girl at the till once said "Oh, you must have a diesel", when I walked up to the till with a trolley full of sunflower oil. It ran ok once warmed up, but was thirsty. I started up on 100% cooking oil once, and tried to drive away too soon. I engulfed the neighbouring bus stop in a white cloud that smelt just like a chippie.

Speed Couriers Nationwide Ltd

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If you're using bio fuel cos you have to, then you need to charge more, if you use bio fuel to make more money then i question whether it it is cheaper in the long run, and finally if you're using bio fuel to make a political statement then probably best to stop driving for a living, as its a tad hypocritical

NC Couriers

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Speed Couriers Nationwide Ltd said:


If you're using bio fuel cos you have to, then you need to charge more, if you use bio fuel to make more money then i question whether it it is cheaper in the long run, and finally if you're using bio fuel to make a political statement then probably best to stop driving for a living, as its a tad hypocritical

'Good point well made there Jim'. I was thinking of biodiesel, but can't see any modern diesel engines that seem to like the stuff, and the van specific forums such as those for Berlingo and Caddys are full of horror stories. I'm happy paying 125.9p for the real thing, and can save the hours spent googling biodiesel search queries on more interesting things.

Kernow Delivery Service Ltd

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Don't know about green diesel but i know that my vans run a lot better on Texaco / Bp /Shell fuels than Morrisons. I ran a test for 1 service period where i ran my Caddy van on Morrisons fuel only for the entire period, by the time the service was due it was running like a bag of nails, couldn't pull up hills without dropping to 3rd sometimes 2nd gear and the fuel filter ended up fuel of black sludge.

I ran the same van on the next service period on Shell / BP fuels and it never lost power it cruised up the same hill as mentioned above in 4th gear at worst and the fuel filter went for two service periods..

Result is i now only fuel up at supermarkets as a last resort as my vans run better on branded fuels..

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