Poaching

Hi guys

I'am about to go round my local factorys again last time i went round was end of october. Last time i went round obtained phone nos and email address for some named persons.

I have done some jobs at some of the factorys for other companys so if i drop a leaflet or call them i'am poaching. A couple of the factorys ive been to twice for different companies.

Just to point out i run a plain van, my pods dont have company name on and i never leave any cards when droping off.

Your views on this would be welcome

With being newish to this game dont want to get myself a bad name but want to have a really good go at getting some local contacts. As someone said in another post sometimes a courier lets a factory down so if your flyer goes through door at right time you could be in with a shout

This is bad you are biting the hand that got you started

Be VERY careful

You're right when you say your flyer may just hit someones desk at the right time, but i'd avoid any business that you've gone to on behalf of someone else.

There is a lot of neglect out there so there may be businesses that have moved onto another courier without then even knowing BUT getting accounts is hard work so deffo avoid those you know belong to someone you have worked on behalf of.

At the end of the day whatever you do you'll be nicking it off someone, so make sure it's someone you don't know and preferably from one of the big boys

You cannot put a flyer through the doors of the businesses you have gone to as a subbie, you might well say well they were on the ind est's I was targeting, but then you were targeting them because you know work comes out of there!

Unfortunately the draw back of subbing, the hardest bit of this business is the transition from Subbie to self supporting.

Barnsley Shipping said:

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This is bad you are biting the hand that got you started

That is what i want to totally avoid. i'am a firm beliver you get further working with than against your fellow courier

Yup, never burn ya bridges

Speed thats what iam trying not to do. Before the first time i went out i asked the local couriers who had been giving me advise to get started if they had any contracts with any factory these ones i did not post a flyer or call.

Hi Mk Bikes when i say ive been there its been to deliver not collect. So this is why iam asking the contract is with factory A not B unless there the same company or would you disagree as someone said you dont bite the hand that feeds you. I think its out of order the pepole who leave a rate card or business card at the collection point. Whenever i do a job for anyone i allways say its for company iam subbing from and all paperwork is plain

Mmmmm I think it depends where the subber is based and whether they are empire builders.

Personally I have said to subbies I have used for a backloads going back to their base area (& have given a good price) to hand a card into the delivery point,

As a subbie you don't know who the customer is... could be the collection point, delivery point or a third party so best not to leave a flyer/card or anything else at either

Sounds like you have your head screwed on so i think you already know the answer tbh

That is why i asked the question. So if I did a job for you from Milton Keynes from (the foil co) to Skelmersdale to (the sweet co) then couple of weeks later when I was re-canvasing the Skelmersdale estate would you class that as poaching?

But as I am typing speeds comment has just turned it on its head.

Will give these factorys a miss.

You could alway offer to be their back up for when their usual courier can't help

Tiz a way of getting your foot in the door without harming anyone

Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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You could alway offer to be their back up for when their usual courier can't help

Tiz a way of getting your foot in the door without harming anyone

? I'm puzzled by that reply

I suppose I best explain, you either carded a subbers customer or you haven't theres no half measure.

If he was a subbie of the usual courier surely the usual courier would call him to see if he's free?

Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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You could alway offer to be their back up for when their usual courier can't help

Tiz a way of getting your foot in the door without harming anyone

Is that a serious answer? That's just as bad as just leaving a flyer in fact it's worse, the only way you could be a back up courier is if the courier who sent you in the first place suggest it! Les

LwsExpress transport solutions said:

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Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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You could alway offer to be their back up for when their usual courier can't help

Tiz a way of getting your foot in the door without harming anyone

Is that a serious answer? That's just as bad as just leaving a flyer in fact it's worse, the only way you could be a back up courier is if the courier who sent you in the first place suggest it! Les

Yes I disagree with this and consider it bad practice. If your available for the end user your available for the courier company who if it were not for them you may not be here

My posting was NOT about leaving a flyer to a company he's subbed for... That had been covered and put to bed

The " I will give these factories a miss" was the clue

My "Back up Courier" is purely there as a means of getting your foot in the door as we all know ANY work we try and get is undoubtedly already being done by someone already

There are Companies who DON'T use subbies and therefore have no alternative to say NO when they've run out of drivers

SO RATHER THAN TRY TO NICK SAID WORK, YOU ARE OFFERING TO BE THEIR BACK UP

If you read from the top to the bottom I made it quite clear i DO NOT agree leaving blumph with anyone you sub for

For example

I am the "back up" courier for a company round the corner from us

I cannot compete with his usual couriers prices, but I am there for when that courier has run out of drivers for whatever reason

It's upsetting no one, it's offering the customer a back up

Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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For example

I am the "back up" courier for a company round the corner from us

I cannot compete with his usual couriers prices, but I am there for when that courier has run out of drivers for whatever reason

It's upsetting no one, it's offering the customer a back up

Dont agree with it!

Barnsley Shipping said:

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Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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For example

I am the "back up" courier for a company round the corner from us

I cannot compete with his usual couriers prices, but I am there for when that courier has run out of drivers for whatever reason

It's upsetting no one, it's offering the customer a back up

Dont agree with it!

Sorry I misunderstood, I dont see how anyone could disagree, if he has no connection with either the company or the companies usual courier what considerations could he possibly have, he is merely trying to offer the customer a last resort courier

Barnsley Shipping said:

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Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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For example

I am the "back up" courier for a company round the corner from us

I cannot compete with his usual couriers prices, but I am there for when that courier has run out of drivers for whatever reason

It's upsetting no one, it's offering the customer a back up

Dont agree with it!

You don't agree with it because you like to be aukward, it's a good idea which obviously suits them both, lot's of industries do it, I will say this much people in Yorkshire are somewhat old fashioned and don't like/do change.

What bed did you put it in? Your answer was to the skelmersdale part of the question.

Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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For example

I am the "back up" courier for a company round the corner from us

I cannot compete with his usual couriers prices, but I am there for when that courier has run out of drivers for whatever reason

It's upsetting no one, it's offering the customer a back up

What a load of twaddle, I think I will become a back up courier that way I can card every customer I have been to, load of bollocks.

LwsExpress transport solutions said:

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What bed did you put it in? Your answer was to the skelmersdale part of the question.

Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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For example

I am the "back up" courier for a company round the corner from us

I cannot compete with his usual couriers prices, but I am there for when that courier has run out of drivers for whatever reason

It's upsetting no one, it's offering the customer a back up

What a load of twaddle, I think I will become a back up courier that way I can card every customer I have been to, load of bollocks.

Yes I agree with you Les

Ok, will Les and Alan tell us why they don't agree with Speed?

Every account you or anyone else has managed to get has been at the expense of someone else... You're being very bloody naive if you think different

What a back up offers the customer is availability

Availability is what it's all about, that and price

If I can't compete on price then I CAN offer availability

And I'm not surprised its the same old faces who disagree

You lot would agrue black is white

[Swearing Removed] Dinosaurs

And Les... Sad to say you're another... READ THE THREAD

I HAVE AND NEVER WILL SAY CARD UP SOMEWHERE YOU'VE SUBBED FROM OR TOO

Do you need glasses? Or are you just stupid?

AJM sameday Couriers said:

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Barnsley Shipping said:

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Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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For example

I am the "back up" courier for a company round the corner from us

I cannot compete with his usual couriers prices, but I am there for when that courier has run out of drivers for whatever reason

It's upsetting no one, it's offering the customer a back up

Dont agree with it!

You don't agree with it because you like to be aukward, it's a good idea which obviously suits them both, lot's of industries do it, I will say this much people in Yorkshire are somewhat old fashioned and don't like/do change.

Im not akward your new breed of courier happens to be a namby pamby fairy that is frightened to answer the phone and thinks every enquiry is a scam does not get up until 10 am and has to be finished by 3 to pick the kids up THATS PROGRESS!

Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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Every account you or anyone else has managed to get has been at the expense of someone else... You're being very bloody naive if you think different

What a back up offers the customer is availability

Availability is what it's all about, that and price

If I can't compete on price then I CAN offer availability

And I'm not surprised its the same old faces who disagree

You lot would agrue black is white

[Swearing Removed] Dinosaurs

Just because other disagree with you does NOT mean your views are the correct ones! also why start the insults?

AJM sameday Couriers said:

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Ok, will Les and Alan tell us why they don't agree with Speed?

Because its poaching

So saying twaddle and bollox isn't insulting Alan?

Like I said you've all poached your accounts from someone who had the account before you

Or have you merely waited to be invited to tender for an account?

All accounts we all have are at the expense of someone else

You just can't bring yourselves to admit it

How is my thread poaching if the other Courier still has 99% of the work

If you're going to comment at least have the courtesy of reading 1st!

Barnsley Shipping said:

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AJM sameday Couriers said:

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Ok, will Les and Alan tell us why they don't agree with Speed?

Because its poaching

Barnsley Shipping said:

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AJM sameday Couriers said:

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Barnsley Shipping said:

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Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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For example

I am the "back up" courier for a company round the corner from us

I cannot compete with his usual couriers prices, but I am there for when that courier has run out of drivers for whatever reason

It's upsetting no one, it's offering the customer a back up

Dont agree with it!

You don't agree with it because you like to be aukward, it's a good idea which obviously suits them both, lot's of industries do it, I will say this much people in Yorkshire are somewhat old fashioned and don't like/do change.

Im not akward your new breed of courier happens to be a namby pamby fairy that is frightened to answer the phone and thinks every enquiry is a scam does not get up until 10 am and has to be finished by 3 to pick the kids up THATS PROGRESS!

That's why you drive a an N reg jeep, you admitted this morning your dense.

Some of you guys need to take early retirement on the grounds of diminished responsibility

This issue has been confused by the fact the OP said he had been to a few of the companies delivering and then we are now talking about (although some don't realise it) just sticking flyers in companies you've never had a connection to.

..and asking to be consiidered as a back up if their current courier can't cover their friday afternoon job

Like I sid MK... They need to read b4 commenting... I'm glad my explanation after the event got you back on track... Shame the blinkers are stuck on the others

I would like to put this to bed... I for one wouldnt like a subbie poaching my customers whom Ive paid good money to advertise one way or another, but this isnt about company poaching off a company, this is about subbie poaching, in the first place all my work is of an urgent nature, I dont do next day or next week its here and now, whether its at collection or delivery point, Without the business the subbie would have no work or would get it from elsewhere, as mentioned before do not bite the hand that feeds it..

Here here

Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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And Les... Sad to say you're another... READ THE THREAD

I HAVE AND NEVER WILL SAY CARD UP SOMEWHERE YOU'VE SUBBED FROM OR TOO

Do you need glasses? Or are you just stupid?

Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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Every account you or anyone else has managed to get has been at the expense of someone else... You're being very bloody naive if you think different

What a back up offers the customer is availability

Availability is what it's all about, that and price

If I can't compete on price then I CAN offer availability

And I'm not surprised its the same old faces who disagree

You lot would agrue black is white

[Swearing Removed] Dinosaurs

Any need for that you ignorant [Swearing Removed]?

When you have something useful to say Les, I will listen, until then I shall turn the baby moniter off

Difficult one when trying to establish your own end users, no body 'owns' these companies and all is fair in love and business. Depend how serious you are about making the transition from OD to Company I suppose. If you are successful in building your company, will it matter who's customers they were at the start.

You wanna be careful coming onto this thread michael... lol

Yes Speedy, just been reading back... A tad lively innit... These sort of threads get pulled on Courier Exchange normally! LOL

I don't have a big enough handbag to join in this one :) A very lively thread.

It'll get edited, just means admin haven't been watching for a while... Lol

Shame cos the thread did have a good point to it at the start

Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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It'll get edited, just means admin haven't been watching for a while... Lol

Shame cos the thread did have a good point to it at the start

He is going to be well pissed off

Always a bone of contention, if its a blatant poach then its out of order, but if we are in a quiet period and someone is having a sales day to grow their business then you have to get on with it. Whats that bit back up the thread about Yorkshire folk not liking change?

Barnsley Shipping said:

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Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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It'll get edited, just means admin haven't been watching for a while... Lol

Shame cos the thread did have a good point to it at the start

He is going to be well pissed off

Yes with you

Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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When you have something useful to say Les, I will listen, until then I shall turn the baby moniter off

I'm afraid what you said was offer to be their back up courier (and that's in black and white ) well I'm afraid no matter how you try to wriggle out of it, that is not done unless the courier who sent him on the original job (from the foil co to the sweet co ) says its ok to do such a thing ,as once you have collected and delivered to and from somewhere on behalf of another courier then both those places are out if bounds for you and your cards / flyers ,if he wants to card the estate where the sweet co is he should not card any place where he has delivered or collected from in the past . Any other way is pure and simple a no no as surely even you must know being mr perfecto :-)

AJM sameday Couriers said:

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Barnsley Shipping said:

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Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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It'll get edited, just means admin haven't been watching for a while... Lol

Shame cos the thread did have a good point to it at the start

He is going to be well pissed off

Yes with you

I done nothing wrong today I bin good boy I not bin swearing today he told me off for that

MK Bikes said:

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Barnsley Shipping said:

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Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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For example

I am the "back up" courier for a company round the corner from us

I cannot compete with his usual couriers prices, but I am there for when that courier has run out of drivers for whatever reason

It's upsetting no one, it's offering the customer a back up

Dont agree with it!

Sorry I misunderstood, I dont see how anyone could disagree, if he has no connection with either the company or the companies usual courier what considerations could he possibly have, he is merely trying to offer the customer a last resort courier

Back up courier! What a load of cow crap!

Les Les les... See.. This is the problem we're having.

The "poaching from" thread that Schofield was referring to had been ended with his words "will give these cfactories a miss"

At that point I introduce the "back up courier"... I. E after he says he isn't going to post any flyers from who he has subbed from

I'm sorry if this has confused the original thread, it was mere giving him another angle to come from

I didn't realise a few would not read the context, and some still seem to be

I think i have now repeated myself about half a dozen times

I DO NOT AGREE WITH ANYONE TRYING TO POACH WORK FROM SOMEONE YOU HAVE WORED ON BEHALF OF

Personally if I sub for someone for a collection in my local area then no I would not leave a business card / flyer or do so at a later date. I'd concentrate on making sure the job was done right and make sure that the vendor would maybe use my services again and then build up some repeat business that way.

I'm not likely to leave my details at the drop off either as the collection point was not necessarily the original client.

As for any other flyer activity, it's fair game. However if a potential client states that they already have a preferred courier, it wouldn't hurt to find out who so that they can be contacted instead offering services as a back up subby for future reference. May even lead to other work.

Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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Les Les les... See.. This is the problem we're having.

The "poaching from" thread that Schofield was referring to had been ended with his words "will give these cfactories a miss"

At that point I introduce the "back up courier"... I. E after he says he isn't going to post any flyers from who he has subbed from

I'm sorry if this has confused the original thread, it was mere giving him another angle to come from

I didn't realise a few would not read the context, and some still seem to be

I think i have now repeated myself about half a dozen times

I DO NOT AGREE WITH ANYONE TRYING TO POACH WORK FROM SOMEONE YOU HAVE WORED ON BEHALF OF

Unless you change your name to back up courier

Michael Lucani said:

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Always a bone of contention, if its a blatant poach then its out of order, but if we are in a quiet period and someone is having a sales day to grow their business then you have to get on with it. Whats that bit back up the thread about Yorkshire folk not liking change?

I agree on this, but out right pouching from the hand that feeds is a no no

DDR Sameday Courier said:

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Personally if I sub for someone for a collection in my local area then no I would not leave a business card / flyer or do so at a later date. I'd concentrate on making sure the job was done right and make sure that the vendor would maybe use my services again and then build up some repeat business that way.

I'm not likely to leave my details at the drop off either as the collection point was not necessarily the original client.

As for any other flyer activity, it's fair game. However if a potential client states that they already have a preferred courier, it wouldn't hurt to find out who so that they can be contacted instead offering services as a back up subby for future reference. May even lead to other work.

Good point...

Bob your argument "cow crap" is your usual articulate well argued from both sides contribution. It still staggers me even after witnessing your comments from day one quite how easily you completely miss the point. I'm not sure if it's deliberate or if you really are as dim as you appear to be.

Now its getting late, so can you leave this thread to the adults now please Bob

From what I see, Speed was suggesting this as a tactic when approaching companies to whom you are canvassing for the first time without ever having picked up from or delivered to them for/on behalf of another company.

Those of you who have misunderstood this should realise that the grammatical errors which occur when people are typing online can indeed cause some serious confusion. (Barnsley! You were one of the biggest culprits of accidental errors until you found out how to use the auto correct! :-)

LWS. Try learning how to spell the word "berk" before you try using it!

I am also sure that Admin will have a word with you about the other four letter word.

Very bad form in my opinion, but I am sure that Admin will message you privately with regards to such manners.

From what I can see on this page everyone is actually on the same page.

If you are subbing for another company you do not card/offer your services direct at either the pick up or the drop off.

Card away to your hearts content to any other company that you desire. However when they tell you that they have a regular courier company they use and are very happy with, don't just give in. Suggest that they keep hold of your number and offer to be the back up courier. (I believe that this is what Speed was suggesting!)

Scott.

Nicely summarised Scott and DDR

Please note les, Alan and Bob

Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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Bob your argument "cow crap" is your usual articulate well argued from both sides contribution. It still staggers me even after witnessing your comments from day one quite how easily you completely miss the point. I'm not sure if it's deliberate or if you really are as dim as you appear to be.

Now its getting late, so can you leave this thread to the adults now please Bob

Suits me down to the ground Rob no ones spoken to me like that for a long time Im 63 this year and to be told to leave it to the adults is a big boost

Ahhh thats better... And nicely put scott / peter riley

On a slightly different tack. I find it a bit disconcerting that someone who joined the site less than two months ago feels that it is acceptable to post such scathing and insulting comments.

Especially when the misunderstanding was on their own part.

Sorry,, I should continue to add "Scott" to my posts as it is I whom is responsible for the above posts.

Scott.

It's been emotional... lol

Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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It's been emotional... Lol

Its business Rob thats your weekness you have feelings!

Speed Couriers (Stansted) said:

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Les Les les... See.. This is the problem we're having.

The "poaching from" thread that Schofield was referring to had been ended with his words "will give these cfactories a miss"

At that point I introduce the "back up courier"... I. E after he says he isn't going to post any flyers from who he has subbed from

I'm sorry if this has confused the original thread, it was mere giving him another angle to come from

I didn't realise a few would not read the context, and some still seem to be

I think i have now repeated myself about half a dozen times

I DO NOT AGREE WITH ANYONE TRYING TO POACH WORK FROM SOMEONE YOU HAVE WORED ON BEHALF OF

The bit I am on about is where he says if he does a job for you to skem, then you go on to say it is all right to offer his services as a back up courier, am I a bit confused? Probably are you a bit confused? Probably

Peter Riley said:

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On a slightly different tack. I find it a bit disconcerting that someone who joined the site less than two months ago feels that it is acceptable to post such scathing and insulting comments.

Especially when the misunderstanding was on their own part.

I also find it disconcerting you seemed to miss Speeds scathing insults ! So when I have been on as long as Speed it is alright to throw the first punch (so to speak )? Or did you miss the [Swearing Removed] dinosaurs? Also are you so up his backside you never noticed that or his spelling mistake by missing the G off, 2 days 2 weeks or 2 years we all have opinions and surely we re allowed to voice them?

This site is full with people that know what they are doing with big experience. We dont always agree but that must be a good thing surely. It sometimes best to ignore the insults and not judge these people in their moment of rage . They will be alright tomorrow

Speeds profanity was an adjective conjugated to add weight to the actual insult which was "dinosaurs". Your profanity was a direct insult to the person.

However. I am glad to see that whilst you manage to completely misunderstand the main gist of Speeds statements, at least you managed to spot a simple spelling mistake.

Nowt (nothing) up my arse (backside) les

I miss the G off cos (because) I type as i speak

And look back and you'll (you will) see that the insults started with "twaddle" and "Bollocks"

Barnsley Shipping said:

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This site is full with people that know what they are doing with big experience. We dont always agree but that must be a good thing surely. It sometimes best to ignore the insults and not judge these people in their moment of rage . They will be alright tomorrow

Hi Barnsley.

That's the best thing about internet forums. They give you time to think and formulate what you want to say. They even give you the opportunity to re-read and edit what you wish to say before you actually post it.

I think the difference to many on here and other forums is i say exactly the same as i would if you were standing infront of me, whereas some "hide" behind the anonimity of their computers/laptops and are "braver" than they would normally be, and perhaps say things they wouldn't otherwise say

I'm afraid I'll never be accused of that

Peter Riley said:

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Speeds profanity was an adjective conjugated to add weight to the actual insult which was "dinosaurs". Your profanity was a direct insult to the person.

However. I am glad to see that whilst you manage to completely misunderstand the main gist of Speeds statements, at least you managed to spot a simple spelling mistake.

Couldn't have put it better myself... No really, there's no way i could've put it like that.. lol

Peter Riley said:

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Speeds profanity was an adjective conjugated to add weight to the actual insult which was "dinosaurs". Your profanity was a direct insult to the person.

Interesting! Although said profanity might also be read as a present partciple, used adjectively - an interpretation which introduces some intriguingly graphic imagery... ;)

That is the only contribution I dare make on this thread!

Couldn't agree more... I think... lol

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Peter Riley said:

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Speeds profanity was an adjective conjugated to add weight to the actual insult which was "dinosaurs". Your profanity was a direct insult to the person.

Interesting! Although said profanity might also be read as a present partciple, used adjectively - an interpretation which introduces some intriguingly graphic imagery... ;)

That is the only contribution I dare make on this thread!

[Swearing] CAMVAN is a Vulcan!

:-)

Goud thred everyone, lurnt loads from this today

AJM sameday Couriers said:

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Goud thred everyone, lurnt loads from this today

There's not much you need to learn Gary :-)

AJM sameday Couriers said:

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Goud thred everyone, lurnt loads from this today

What is there to learn?

What is there to learn? Get some work and you won't have time to sit around all day ripping each other apart!

Peter Riley said:

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CAMVAN said:

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Peter Riley said:

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Speeds profanity was an adjective conjugated to add weight to the actual insult which was "dinosaurs". Your profanity was a direct insult to the person.

Interesting! Although said profanity might also be read as a present partciple, used adjectively - an interpretation which introduces some intriguingly graphic imagery... ;)

That is the only contribution I dare make on this thread!

[Swearing] CAMVAN is a Vulcan!

A logical conclusion.

So after reading the thread from start to the end what is the moral of the story!

Nottingham & Derby Couriers said:

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So after reading the thread from start to the end what is the moral of the story!

The moral of the sory is, you have just wasted ten minutes of your life.

Nottingham & Derby Couriers said:

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So after reading the thread from start to the end what is the moral of the story!

The moral of the story is, don't bite the hand that feeds you.