Crawford Logistics - Non Paying Member

We have a [Admin Edit in bold italics] possibly non paying member, be warned.

[business].

They will not answer the telephone.

I have spoken personally to 4 members who have carried out deliveries and have left good feedback and have not been paid.

They prices they are charging their retail customers are less than half of what the driver is being paid. This does not add up.

For further information you can call me.

[name] is very aware and everything stated is factual.

If there is genuine reason for [business] not answering call I shall be the first to apologise.

Same here. No payment and no contact.

This was on their profile, don't know if it helps?

[business]'s Profile Says:

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Hi Lost Phone over weekend, if any one needs to contact us new mobile is [phone] Monday 19th November 2012.

Douglas & Sons said:

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This was on their profile, don't know if it helps?

[business]'s Profile Says:

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Hi Lost Phone over weekend, if any one needs to contact us new mobile is [phone] Monday 19th November 2012.

We have the other number and it is the same.

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Sorry to hear you got caught guys. If you report him for possible fraud on 101, they have to record it and investigate.

I'm going to let this thread run, but please keep it on topic and factual. Do not make any false accusations/speculation.

Just had another courier on the phone in Kent that claims he has been defrauded.

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Lewis Transport said:

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Sorry to hear you got caught guys. If you report him for possible fraud on 101, they have to record it and investigate.

Can you provide some more information as to what to do?

Hewitt Logistics said:

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I have spoken personally to 4 members who have carried out deliveries and have left good feedback and have not been paid.

I cannot understand why they would leave good feedback about a member who did not pay them? Leave feedback after you have (or have not) been paid!

I couldn't agree more regarding leaving feedback before being paid. As for 101, it's the non-emergency line to report a (possible in this case) crime. I'm sure they will be able to refer you to the correct department.

Lewis Transport said:

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I couldn't agree more regarding leaving feedback before being paid. As for 101, it's the non-emergency line to report a (possible in this case) crime. I'm sure they will be able to refer you to the correct department.

Thanks for the information.

I've just found their website and added it to [business]'s profile.

[link]

We are not on CX but those of you who are please post a link to this information.

May I suggest that giving them a reputation of 872 may now be seen as a bit optimistic.

Henry Services said:

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May I suggest that giving them a reputation of 872 may now be seen as a bit optimistic.

If you check their feedback, there is now some negative. Agree I think we should ame it more immediately obvious that bad feedback has been left about this member recently on their profile.

I have posted on another exchange site to warn other couriers.

Looks like we might be the latest, after doing a job earlier this month.

I still have the number for the people I collected from and delivered to, and on checking [name] of the invoicing address [location], [postcode], was paid £79.00 to collect and deliver From Yorkshire to Orprington.

He demanded he was paid upfront. I understand from the people involved the job originaly was asigned through Shiply. So Shiply users beware.

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Maybe just a seperate payment rating would clarify things...

Henry Services said:

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Maybe just a seperate payment rating would clarify things...

We do collect yes/no's for 'Did you have to chase payment?' on the feedback form already. Sure the data will come in handy in time.

Hewitt Logistics said:

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I have posted on another exchange site to warn other couriers.

Thanks. Seems his customers aren't all too happy either...

Unhappy customer on PistonHeads

Just read the Shiply thread and for a company to treat Joe public like that is well out of order. They should have paid on delivery to be safe.

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Yep, I'm another one. No payment and they are not answering any phone calls or emails. Please feel free to contact me for any further info.

Some of the chaps that have called me were shaking with anger.

Just to point out that this isn't the normal behaviour and I have found all the other members to be good.

It just makes people disheartened and lose faith and that's why we have to root out these people and make it harder for them.

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Surely not the same firm that WL of Glasgow upset by insisting on payment upfront?

I did a job got good feedback. On Sunday night [name] rang to ask why I had untrusted him. I wasn't aware I had, but I already had my doubts. He spoke well explaining he had problem with some other member, things would be sorted out quickly. I'm now £170 plus vat out of pocket.

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[business] said:

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I am also a victim did job got good feedback. On Sunday night [name] rang to ask why I had untrusted him. I wasn't aware I had, but I already had my doubts. He spoke well explaining he had problem with some other member, things would be sorted out quickly. I'm now £170 plus vat out of pocket.

Really sorry to hear of all the problems with this member. :(

Is that the job from LN3 to Reading?

I have some information which leads to a PayPal account and to another name linked to [business] and the name [name] and [name].

Any further help is appreciated.

It's strange that [business] has not responded to any comments in this forum!

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Hewitt Logistics said:

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I have some information which leads to a PayPal account and to another name linked to [business] and the name [name] and [name].

This is a trail that the police will be looking into as all PayPal accounts have to be verified to combat fraud and money laundering.

Any further help is appreciated.

It's strange that [business] has not responded to any comments in this forum!

Be careful not to confuse him with an [business] in Poole ([link]).

[business] are nothing to do with the [business] in question.

Website Admin said:

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Really sorry to hear of all the problems with this member. :(

Is that the job from LN3 to Reading?

Yes LN3 to Reading.

[business] said:

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Yes LN3 to Reading.

You left good feedback! I have removed your feedback so you can leave something more accurate.

I have personally spoken to [business] and can say that they have no connection whatsoever.

I meant to say that earlier but the phone has been off the hook all day.

All I can say is thank god i dont take work off the web. The only money I have ever lost with people going bust and doing one has been from exchanges sites, since I have stopped I havent lost a penny.

Do you not credit check people when you take work on?

Hi SMH, credit checking is just as infallable.

We had a customer that went bust on us and we were using Barclays Credit focus with bad credit warning updates.

2 weeks after they went bust owing £1200 + they were still listed as active and had a very good credit score.

I complained to Barclays and they said there was nothing they could do, so I cancelled my subscription to the service as I may as well toss a coin for better odds.

Why do people leave good feedback before they have been paid?

One reason maybe is every time you log in it is staring you in the face, maybe a "I'll do it later" options may be good?

I take it people know of this address too?

[location], [postcode]

Agreed MK and may be an idea to get them off the "Directory" for anyone looking for couriers in Kent.

Just had another call from a victim.

Had me for £110 as well. Smelt a rat when his 'customer' had only payed £80 off Shiply.

I have just spoken to Action Fraud on [phone] and given a report over the phone. The Police now have 2 reports from aggrieved drivers.

The police would like to hear from anyone in the same situation, so if you would like to give them a call and add to the numbers who have made complaints please call the above number.

Just spoke to another one and he is down by £4,000 for euro work.

www.actionfraud.police.uk/report_fraud

Use the above link. Everyone affected must do it ASAP.

Barclays Credit focus with bad credit warning updates

Thats not the best because if you have a look Crawford Logistics TN postcode isn't even there, so hes not registered as a company limited or not limited. Thats the 1st alarm bell to ring.

What's his vat number?

It is difficult to assess everyone all the time due to working pressures etc, especially the people on the road with limited access to these facilities.

He's not even on on creditsafe and every company is on there. Why do people take work from people that they haven't done there homework on, it has just taken me 10 minutes to check him out and theres nothing on his name or his company.

Maybe this would be a good subject for a thread with old hands giving out best way to check someone out?

McDonald Logistics said:

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Maybe this would be a good subject for a thread with old hands giving out best way to check someone out?

I agree, and it might help us think of better ways of implementing checks on mtvan.

It is such a difficult thing to monitor.

I had done good business with a customer for several years, they paid on time but without warning had difficulties and left me being owed a few thousand pounds! That was 10 years ago but did not get a penny back for all the work done!

Over the years have lost a small fortune, despite being vigilant.

Seems to me that other transport companies & freight forwarders are the worse, as although not crippling amounts have been stung a few times (you know one I am talking about [name] (SMH) :).

It is not easy to police, one only has to look at the recent pub landlord doing a runner with 50K of the local's Christmas club monies, to know what scumbags breathe air on this earth!

I agree, and it might help us think of better ways of implementing checks on mtvan.

How much do you want to pay me ;-)

Seems to me that other transport companies & freight forwarders are the worse, as although not crippling amounts have been stung a few times (you know one I am talking about [name] (Thompson Direct) :)

The one that keeps popping up from time to time under different names. And then starts shouting when i find him out lol.

When anyone joins a site like this they should be credit checked/vat number check to make sure it's not someone else number or a made up number. If they are not on creditsafe then they are a new company as in days old (you do not take these on board), or they are not registered as a company.

Ive just noticed the address on the [business] website is different from the one I recieved to forward his invoice to.

[location], [postcode]. But his alternative is given as [location], [postcode]. But dont call round on Sunday cos he's closed.

I think SMH is on the right track. And I'd agree to his comments that if a company joins there should be a land line number. And of course even if the boss leaves the office he can divert to his mobile. Obviously owner drivers can register their land line numebr if they wish.

[Admin: Please please create links rather than just pasting the URL. Cheers!]

Hi to everyone.

There are a lot of things posted on here that are not true.

1. I want to say everyone that they will get paid, we have paid people on here all ready, also part paid and paid for ferries. We even paid for one owner drivers van rental for the week. The reason you have had no response from us is that we have been abused all day which for some part i can understand. Every one will be paid by Mid January if not sooner. We have not robbed anyone and do not wish to. Some payments hopefully will be paid tomorrow.

2. The only address that we are asscociated with is [location]. The other address [location] was an error on the postcode on the website which we have tried to remove.

3. Its just myself [name] and [name] and any other names mentioned on here are nothing to do with us.

4. Lastly we are not conning or robbing anyone, we shall sort everything if you can give us till Mid Jan everyone will be paid.

I'm hoping that this can be sorted and everyone can move on when paid.

If anybody wishes to discuss any of the above contact me through the site.

Many thanks

[name]

I've got to ask but why are you not on credit safe? Are you registered as another company or something?

Sounds all too familiar!

Checking on members only works if we have a repeat offender (like you know who) but once a company get itself in trouble the damage has already been done.

I reported the Devon offender to www.actionfraud.police.uk so time will tell.

If [business] would like to call [Admin: Details on profile.] with credit / debit card details we will be happy to receive the overdue payment.

We all do work with an element of trust, whether it be another courier co, or a customer.

Credit checks will only tell you so much and go back so far.

The only way to avoid getting caught is to do cash only jobs and that just ain't going to happen.

When a job needs covering, you really haven't got time to check as thoroughly as maybe you'd like, and as an OD you assume all relevant checks have been done by the hoster of the exchange site you're getting the job from.

Sadly you will always get the odd rogue trader in whatever industry you find yourself in, and no matter what checks you do, some will always find away around it.

I do think it's a shame some feel the need to rip people off, if they spent half as much time actually doing an honest days work for an honest days pay, they'd probably have just as much in the bank....I think some just get off on the fact that they've conned someone tbh

Mr [name] says he paid some drivers off for the work we have done on Behalf of his Company [business].

Hands up anyone who has been paid by [business] or by [name]?

I have details of people's names, relatives, associates and addresses of properties and with other drivers help we are building a picture of what is happening.

We are also building a banking paper trail.

These people need to act now and pay.

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I'm surprised the Police are getting involved. We had a van full of high value goods which we knew were going to a scammer, told the police. All they had to do was turn up and nick em. Could've even done a keystone cop and exited, truncheons in hand from the back of the van. But no, their advice "take the goods back to where you collected em from".

A very missed opportunity...

I thought the police wouldn't be interested but internet fraud is being given more priority. This is what the Kent Fraud officer told us.

Well hoofuckinrah they finally seem to be wanting to do some policing instead of zapping speeding motorists for a quick buck.

Well, reading these comments doesnt fill me with hope. I have done quite a lot of work for [business] over the past few weeks with the promise that money would be getting paid soon. I wont say how much is owed but I feel a bit foolish now. Hopefully things will work out. Damn.

Just to reiterate, this is not the norm. We have found everyone else to be good working partners!

I hope you get your money GBR. Being new to the business an all. They really are in the minority.

Reminds us all to be more vigilant.

Reminds me of old saying "if it looks to good to be true it probably is".

Life goes on. It would be impossible to operate in this business without trust on both sides.

Reminds me of the classic Motorhead song "Killed by Death". lol

Credit checks will only tell you so much and go back so far.

Like i have just proven, if people had of checked him out with the right tools you would see there is no such company registered.

Anyone know his vat number?

Anyone that suddenly joins and puts loads of work on has either:

• just won a big contract or

• has been chucked off another site and is hoping no one knows or

• is a blatant con artist who has scant regard for the effect his actions have on others

[business] just messaged...

Hi to everyone who is member of mtvan.

We are also feeling sorry for all those members who have issues of non payment with [business] recently. We are also become one of the victim of fraud series carried out by [business]. It is painful but good news is that we have more records and proof against this company than anyone else has, because even a clever thief some time do big mistake as [name] did on Thursday during exchange of his delivery with us.

We will provide all those records to fraud department including his vehicle number and pictures as well. If anyone have more information, please share with us.

1. We went personally to Ashford today after [name]'s lame excuses that they are based in Ashford on given address ([location], [postcode]) but the post code was wrong and the actual postcode is [postcode]. The above given address is shared property and people living in this property have no idea of any [name] or [name].

2. The address given on their website ([location], [postcode]) is also do not belong to them. We did knock the door but no one did answer. We did enquire from house Number 19 and house number 15 and they have told that person name [name] is living at number 17 and he is working in meat business.

So both addresses are fake and they are totally lying but the good news is that we just started our search today and we will not end it until sorted. Be hopeful and we will clear this mess very soon.

I did think how could someone make a mistake on their own postcode?

One problem is that some people foolishly left feedback way too soon.

I wonder how many were paid today?

[business] paid a visit and it seems to be a bogus address.

We still have the PayPal paper trail to work on though.

It's merely a matter of time.

If [business] have good intentions but are deludedly trying to rescue a failing business and only making it worse for themselves, then I've actually got some sympathy. They must feel s***e and terrified.

But if their whole enterprise has just been one big con, they deserve what's coming to them.

Has anyone had a reply from [business] since their last post requesting contact to be made via their site? or has anyone been paid yet?

I'm glad I asked for a £1000 up front now when approached to go to Stuttgart for a delivery. I never did hear back from him and glad I didn't now. The job did sound very iffy in the first place. Trust your instincts guys, that's my advice.

Hi all, I have not been paid since October.

They told me I had money being sent to my home address this week... still awaiting that.

My family are without Christmas this year because of [name] and [name]. I reported this to the police this morning.

[name]

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Hi all, lets keep this on topic please, and I remind you to pay close attention to our forum rules when posting.

So no one has been getting paid from these guys since at least the end of November?

There are 3 types of bad debtors.

1. Somebody that goes bust due to circumstances beond there control
2. Somebody that books out work with the best intntions at the time but due to their poor managemnet are only going to drop themselves and everybody else in it
3. Someone that never has any intention of paying

I'm confused about these boys because they have come back to defend themselves! I think they had no intention of things getting out of hand but dont really have a clue what they are doing and the situation is out of control.

At this stage it would be good to stop altogether and let everybody know the situation and if there is no money make sure they know there is no money. Don't make it worse by promising to sort what you cant sort out!

I very shocked by the amount of credit some people have given!

If you're doing European work it doesn't take long.

Very true Rob but all the more reason to have a tight credit control and take payment up front if in doubt that much.

I will tell you what worries me most about what I read on these forums!

We can't have a Christmas or we cant pay our mortgage because of this non payment!

If some of you people are depending on these odd payments to save your house or you have staked your families Christmas on this invoice payment, well you were probably in deep trouble long long before the con merchant got you and its frightening that you are existing like this.

If you are this deep in trouble then its really not working and its not worth the hassle you would be happier in a full time job and your family would be more secure.

Some of the blame is clearly lying with those giving the credit and not just the con merchants. Remember if the bank wont lend then dont give them credit and 80% of some of these transport limited companies the bank wont touch.

Sorry Mr Admin I digress but credit control is relevant to this thread and the root cause of the above mentioned problem. (Sorry for going on!)

I hear you but Full Time employment is no guarantee of a hassle free existence, and that's if you can find a PAYE job in the 1st place. I think you're being a bit too hard on those that live hand to mouth. We all have to start somewhere, and yes, a bit of misplaced trust by some it has to be said, or naivity on their part.

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Sorry Rob I'm not being hard its one thing to be a bad deal away from putting you business at risk but to be a bad deal away from making your family homeless and lossing everything is reckless!

Totally pointless!

[Admin: No problem, thanks for your input.]

Unfortunately we did one job for these guys. We charged £280.00 +VAT and subsequently found out that they only charged the customer £60.

They got the job through Shiply and their account has now been suspended. They paid the money into a Nationwide account (which is now being investigated). We sent a driver round to the address in Ashford but there was no one there, but clearly the address IS being used. I requested payment for my money by 21/12/2012 which they did not respond to, so we will be commencing proceedings against them.

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All gone quiet? Has anyone been paid as promised by AET in a previous reply?

We've not been paid yet.

Had a phone cal the other day, claiming she was the landlords agent for [location]. She went on to say she had passed a lot of info on to [business] about AET and [name]. However I wasn't in a position to take notes as I had been injured, in a hospital bed since new years eve.

However from memory she said [name] was an alias and his real name was [name] and I dont recall the surname. He used his daughters paypal account, and he banked money into a Nationwide account.

[location] is allegedly the inlaws home address. [name] aka [name] according to the information from this woman, is supposed to have worked for several taxi companies in the area and is known to them as [name] or Russell the Bolloxer.

Any one requiring the womans phone number send me an email or message... Or ask [business] in Maidstone.

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Awaiting promised payment now.

Just had a promise of payment from the mysterious AET Kent (Dave) to quote the text:

Payment made should show up within 2 hours, Amount £234. Please advised when received many thanks AET Transport

If it arrives you'll see it acknowledge here first. But dont wait up. It might be Russel... Errrrr Dave havin a bit of fun.

I'll be waiting up! Please let us know one way or the other in a few hours time.

It's a miracle!

Cut and pasted from my online bank statement and pasted below:

07/01/2013 FASTER PAYMENTS RECEIPT REF. Crawford Logistics FROM [name] DAVID £234.00

[name] AKA [name] of Crawford Logistics Kent.

I wonder if he'll claw it back tomorrow.

Great, well I hope it's now sorted for you. Why he calls himself [name] rather than [name] I don't know, at least we now have something pretty solid backing up his full name.

I dont think the police would wish to have any involment in this unless any of you guys can prove a consummer was conned! They would veiw the complaint as a a commercial debt and trading standards would not want to know about it anyway. If you do find this guy the chances are he owns nothing and you will only be able to recover nothing once you have been through the courts! All in all iti s quite frankly a frightfully astaounding mess >!

Have to agree Bob. Have been in similar situations and lost alot of money chasing a lost cause. Bottom line is if the person has no money there is little chance of geting any that is owed you!

It is not fair but afraid that is how it is.

Afraid I agree. I lost £25, 000 to a company that went bankrupt. As Tina says if they've got nothing then you're throwing good money after bad. Just gotta grin and bear it and put it down to experience.

Reminder: Please keep on topic and factual. Do not make any false accusations/speculation.

It would help keep this thread balanced if you would report here if you have been paid.

I had a text this week with the promise of a bank draught, has anyone else had any joy?

I was promised payment by the end of this week.

Nothing yet.

They paid me late sunday evening Nigel. Had a text about 7.30pm, money was in the bank as promised 2 hours later. So check before bed time tomorrow (Sunday). Fingers crossed for you.

Come on Exforcesecure, we are all dying to know if you got paid.

Nothing yet over here, Anyone else been paid?

Not a sausage yet the police are still investigating and following up on the information we supplied.

Not a thing as yet and no contact either.

No pay yet.

Hmmmmmm

Just had a phone call, things are developing.

Not paid yet though!

No reply to email or answer to mobile although his phone is still active.

And obviously no payment yet and I should think not ever.

Steve, they had you too?

Still waiting. AET will now not answer calls or mails.

Still waiting here.

Yes Mr G, did 2 jobs early december totalling £450+vat. Checked the jobs page when out on the road (not driving obviously) and collection points weren't too far from where I was. Didn't really have time to check the company out as wanted to get my quote in before the jobs went and got straight on with it when price agreed. You have to put your trust in people often in this game and it's very disheartening when that trust is broken. Kept in touch with "Russell" as to etas and so forth en route, all seemed fine and was promised payment before Christmas. The best way I can look at it now is I've wasted £200 of fuel and several hours of my time. Really hope this bloke has trouble sleeping at night but somehow doubt that very much. Probably now looking for his next victims

How do you stand with the VAT man in these instances, can you just right it off as if you didn't do the job or will they demand their pound(s) of flesh as the jobs must have been invoiced to request payment?

You adjust it on your next return.

You can't pay the vat man what you haven't had.

They probably see this on a regular basis.

Oliver & Sons said:

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How do you stand with the VAT man in these instances, can you just right it off as if you didn't do the job or will they demand their pound(s) of flesh as the jobs must have been invoiced to request payment?

Write it off Mr Moray

Thanks for the info, lets hope I don't have to use it.

If I do ever receive payment then it will be declared on the following return. As it's probably the case I won't, then as far as vat is concerned, the job never happened. Can't see AET(kent) putting these jobs down as outgoings in their books somehow, that's if they even have books

Good evening,

I saw that you had posted on a thread on mtvan.com regarding Crawford Logistics and I was wondering if you could help me.

I arranged through Shiply for somebody by the name of [name] to collect some boxes for me from Edinburgh and deliver them to Sheffield. He never showed. I then received an email saying his van and phone had been stolen on route to the collection, he agreed to give me a refund. A month later and I have received no refund and he is uncontactable. From what I have seen on the thread this may be the same guy that is behind Crawford Logistics.

I intend to provide any/all information I have to Action Fraud but I was wondering if you could offer me any advice/help as you seem to have had dealings with them?

Many thanks,

Good to see that you are still on the case Nottingham, I gave statement to police last week but i havent heard anything back yet.

The Lady who sent the email has the bank details given by [name] which i will be giving to the police officer in charge in Folkestone.

Good work N&DC.

Could this be the same guy i wonder? [link]

Hmmmm It looks like it is him.

Or This? [link]

Check this out [link]

[link]

Looks like he is still about, and maybe at different address.

Allen Transport said:

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Had a phone cal the other day, claiming she was the landlords agent for [location]. She went on to say she had passed a lot of info on to [business] about AET and [name]. However I wasn't in a position to take notes as I had been injured, in a hospital bed since new years eve.

However from memory she said [name] was an alias and his real name was [name] and I dont recall the surname. He used his daughters paypal account, and he banked money into a Nationwide account.

[location] is allegedly the inlaws home address. [name] aka [name] according to the information from this woman, is supposed to have worked for several taxi companies in the area and is known to them as [name] or Russell the Bolloxer.

Any one requiring the womans phone number send me an email or message... Or ask [business] in Maidstone.

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I have a police meeting tonight to discuss AET & [name].

I hall update with any more relevant info.

Good Luck mate

After speaking with the police officer she has told me that they have a suspect and they are gathering more evidence form Shiply and uShip customers that have also been defrauded.

All the statements are now in to allow the police to make an arrest of [name], [business].

He may have moved address but the net is closing in fast especially with all the different bank details we have supplied other information we have supplied the police.

Any news on this scumbag yet?

I thought it was April fools but [name] [name] has made a payment into our account and settled his invoice.

I hope he learns from this.

I hope everyone else gets paid

I have also received payment of one invoice into my account. Still one outstanding but hopefully this will also be paid before too long. Agree with Nott & Derby in the hope that everyone else gets paid.

Hi NDC..

Is it easter eggs all round for MTVAN users then...(Question mark)

I'm surprised anyone has had their accounts settled by this mob, cos they're extremely unlikely to get anyone to work for them again, so my question is why did they bother?

I doubt it's because they suddenly discovered their conscience

Strange

I also have been paid. Happy days!

Ive never done any work for them and never will after the trouble people getting from in regards to payment. Who wants to do work for someone who doesnt pay?

Who would work for someone that they havnt check out?

Glad your getting your money,

but hope this is a lesson for some, never ever do work for anyone unless you can check them out, if it looks iffy then dont do it even from a an exchange site

SMH The problem with this is that some members foolishly left good positive feedback for the said company BEFORE they were paid, This obviously was an error of judgement which gave others a false reprsentation of AET.

Checking out isn't always that easy in an urgent situation and most of all the checking tools including credit scoring etc have proven to be wholly wrong in our past experience when a long standing customer went into administration owing £500k but was showing to be in excellent financial health.

It took me 1 minute to check Crawford Logistics the one in kent not poole , just by googling.

So if you got a call from abcdef couriers for a screamer to france you would just price it and do the job Without checking?

Ps, im not have a dig just cant believe people will work for other people without doing some ground work 1st

No usually we would ask for payment from an unknown customer but with other known members on MTVan giving a good report you do sometimes have to take things at face value.

It won't happen again mind you.

Does anyone have this guys new email details please, he emailed me but i deleted it in error.. Miust have been the shock... Thanks..

Sorry we don't have his email his payment just appeared on April fools day. We were shocked too.

London nation Wide

[name] aka [name] .... [email]

Hope thats the one your looking for

Well glad people have been paid!

Sorry if I have missed this, but how long did it take for payments to be made? and out of interest what are his payment terms?

Transport covered 11th November, Terms 30 Days actual payment 1st April.

We were only paid because he was arrested on 28th march when he appeared in court on an unrelated matter in Scunthorpe.

We knew this was planned but had to keep tight lipped.

He even turned up to court early.

We supplied the police with loads of info that we gathered.

Ok glad all sorted but when this was first posted it was not really that late? 11th November job done, 20th December first post about a non paying member. Seems a bit quick to tarnish so quickly unless one had other information?

Yes, The other info was that another courier was doing a delivery from London to Edinburgh and was being paid around £270 ish, He was talking to the recipient and she mentioned that she paid £120 for the delivery.

The courier called me with this confusing problem and i told him it sounds very suspect.

I then gave AET until 1 day after payment became due but they did not answer calls or emails, Hence the initial posting a few days later.

We only took the job on because of mtvan members who we know that had left AET a good report.

Oh dear, it's not easy as even having good feedback is not always a guarantee that people are genuine or that the job will be done right, or as you found out N&D even getting paid!

Glad its all sorted now, and hope everyone has been paid

Just to repeat our position on naming and shaming.

We don't allow it. This case was exceptional. We had to move quickly to protect our members.

Large amounts of high value work were being given out over the phone, promising to pay more than was being charged for in some cases, and with other peculiarities that the Vendor couldn't account for when challenged, and people were beginning to realise that when payment was demanded there was no response. The OP asked for and was given exceptional permission to post. The thread was heavily modded to keep it factual and balanced. The Vendor was invited to post as right of reply.

Genuine Vendors of normal work have nothing to fear here.

So naming and shaming is exceptional? I just followed a link on the directory and noted that there is a current member who owes at least 3 other members payment and yet is STILL posting jobs ... Could this be a repeat of lessons not learnt..

No, this case is entirely different.

The posts on the Profile in question are against the rules, and made despite warnings not to, and will be deleted.

The differences are:

a/ The Vendor is not a new start-up. b/ The work is not unusual in any way. c/ There is a dialogue possible, and on-going, with all parties, including with mtvan.

I don't want to go into any more detail about this one, for fear of straying into N&S territory.

So Naming and Shaming remains unacceptable. If you have an issue, speak to us, don't post.