Not been paid!?

I have been working with a co as sub contractor for a year, done 100.000 in my sprinter, guy was always slow, every week Paying, no invoice so i could not reconcile, now, he hasnt paid me at all and doesnt answer phone, im left with no money, (he owes about 1,000) whats best course of action (legal) he about 70m from me

AJM sameday Couriers 3296 Friday 21st November Quote Directroute. Co. UkDon't mess about with crap excuses go for the throat, this has happened to me so many times in 16 years Ask for Gary

This is what ajm posted on another thread a wile back. Never had to use them myself tho one client does owe me alot of money similar amount as you. I have started a paper trail of when i email or call them if it then ends up in a small claims court i have a trail of what action i have taken.

Ian Handley t/as said:

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I have been working with a co as sub contractor for a year, done 100.000 in my sprinter, guy was always slow, every week Paying, no invoice so i could not reconcile, now, he hasnt paid me at all and doesnt answer phone, im left with no money, (he owes about 1,000) whats best course of action (legal) he about 70m from me

You should always invoice who every you do work for weather that be your customer or if you have had a job sub to you from another courier company, also PODs signed by who every is accepting the delivery, keep all paper work.
as Drivers R Us says its the paper trail proof you have done the work

Thank you very much for your response (and quick too), i do keep records and have a paper trail for every mile ive done this last year, update, ive sent a txt threatening police and fraud squad, failing that, monday i shall make app to small claims court,

I have to say if you haven't done an invoice then you can only blame yourself, I wouldn't pay without an invoice it's your business you have to run it properly, nobody in this world pays without an invoice unless it's dodgy, the best thing you can ddo. S contact them and sort it out good luck.

I would download the smalls claim court paperwork

https://www.gov.uk/make-court-claim-for-money/overview

Id then fill it in. I would then send a copy of this filled in paperwork to the defaulter explaining that you will be sending this in if the bill is not paid within 7 days. When/if it is then not paid id simply post it off and have your day in court. Dont forget you can also claim for a days pay plus interest on any money outstanding

Do make sure your paperwork is unquestionable as the court will rip it apart to be assured your not making it up. Do turn up even if the other party does not as this will almost certainly guarantee you winning the case plus you can then seek to enforcement action straight away ( no prisoners ) while your there .

Ian Handley t/as said:

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Thank you very much for your response (and quick too), i do keep records and have a paper trail for every mile ive done this last year, update, ive sent a txt threatening police and fraud squad, failing that, monday i shall make app to small claims court,

That was very professional and will do the trick. 'The fraud squad' always love hearing about civil claims of owed money.

ATM Logistics said:

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Ian Handley t/as said:

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Thank you very much for your response (and quick too), i do keep records and have a paper trail for every mile ive done this last year, update, ive sent a txt threatening police and fraud squad, failing that, monday i shall make app to small claims court,

That was very professional and will do the trick. 'The fraud squad' always love hearing about civil claims of owed money.

Everybody should have the number of the Fraud Squad in there list of contacts just in case.

AJM sameday Couriers said:

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ATM Logistics said:

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Ian Handley t/as said:

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Thank you very much for your response (and quick too), i do keep records and have a paper trail for every mile ive done this last year, update, ive sent a txt threatening police and fraud squad, failing that, monday i shall make app to small claims court,

That was very professional and will do the trick. 'The fraud squad' always love hearing about civil claims of owed money.

Everybody should have the number of the Fraud Squad in there list of contacts just in case.

I would certainly advise it

ATM Logistics said:

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AJM sameday Couriers said:

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ATM Logistics said:

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Ian Handley t/as said:

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Thank you very much for your response (and quick too), i do keep records and have a paper trail for every mile ive done this last year, update, ive sent a txt threatening police and fraud squad, failing that, monday i shall make app to small claims court,

That was very professional and will do the trick. 'The fraud squad' always love hearing about civil claims of owed money.

Everybody should have the number of the Fraud Squad in there list of contacts just in case.

I would certainly advise it

Contacts list? Put them on Speed Dial.

Speed dial? Get a panic button installed.

£1000? I would not let it have gone that far. I know sometimes its easy to let that amount be owed if regular work is done for one company.

You will stroggle through the courtswithout invoices

U ^^ ;)

SMH said:

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You will stroggle through the courtswithout invoices

I agree it's a costly mistake

I hope you succeed in getting your payments but i have to say not only is it costly but with all the info on lots of courier forums its a mistake that shouldnt have happened, its an amateur mistake and one you should have not made if you had done enough research before hand. But like i say good luck.

Ian Handley t/as said:

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whats best course of action (legal) he about 70m from me

Invest in 140 miles round trip (I take it you meant miles, not metres) worth of fuel and go knock on his door and wait for cash.

A tip for the future, scan all paperwork you get signed as a matter of course. This is crystal evidence when it comes to pay time in a court of law.

Small claims court is ok, Yes you will get a judgement but is can be difficult to enforce as the Bailiffs will only go out if it's worth it to them.

As it's over £600 go straight to the High Court Sheriffs service. They have more powers and if it's a debt at a business address they can enter without a warrant.

Good Luck

Im with Dennis.. For a grand its worth a bit of fuel. Lesson learnt dont let bills run up to that amount before door knocking.

Phax Sameday said:

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Im with Dennis.. For a grand its worth a bit of fuel. Lesson learnt dont let bills run up to that amount before door knocking.

You haven't got the guts to go and knock on someone's door asking for money stop playing the tough Guy

AJM sameday Couriers said:

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Phax Sameday said:

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Im with Dennis.. For a grand its worth a bit of fuel. Lesson learnt dont let bills run up to that amount before door knocking.

You haven't got the guts to go and knock on someone's door asking for money stop playing the tough Guy

He was going to send you lol

Perhaps we should form a posse lol

Fastback Parcel Solutions said:

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Perhaps we should form a posse lol

Lol

587 members, it seems to get lower everytime i look at the directory. When i first joined, there was over 2000

587 members, it seems to get lower everytime i look at the directory. When i first joined, there was over 2000

Yes, and the 2000 included all the people that needed weeding out, and who you and others were complaining about.

As I've said before, the number at the top of the directory is the number of people we think are suitable for showing on the directory listing, as they have been spoken to before being allowed to join, and they have logged in recently.

The directory is not a list of everyone whose details are on the system, it's a selected number from the total membership at the moment you happen to go into the directory.

mtvan.com Ltd said:

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587 members, it seems to get lower everytime i look at the directory. When i first joined, there was over 2000

Yes, and the 2000 included all the people that needed weeding out, and who you and others were complaining about.

As I've said before, the number at the top of the directory is the number of people we think are suitable for showing on the directory listing, as they have been spoken to before being allowed to join, and they have logged in recently.

The directory is not a list of everyone whose details are on the system, it's a selected number from the total membership at the moment you happen to go into the directory.

Surely the directory should show every member thats on the system?

A E Delivery said:

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A tip for the future, scan all paperwork you get signed as a matter of course. This is crystal evidence when it comes to pay time in a court of law.

There are app's available that you can use to invoice direct from your smart-phone I normally do an invoice straight after the drop or at least sameday so its on my fone, its a good habit to get into

Surely the directory should show every member thats on the system?

A bit off topic, but nearly 10,000 have ever joined, so we have to decide who to show in the directory on any particular day, and who not to show.

I'd say you would agree it's right that we:

Don't show those who we haven't seen for 3 months (though we would show them if they logged in again tomorrow).

Don't show those who joined but repeatedly didn't answer the phone when we called to check them out. (Actually the majority of all people who join don't answer the phone when we call).

Don't show those who "are just researching being a courier".

Don't show people who are actually end users.

Don't show those who fail our checks for lots of other reasons (e.g. They are just getting their van and insurance sorted in the next few weeks and want to do it in the car for a bit, or they want to do it at the weekends around a full time job).

Don't show people who have left the industry so ask us not to show them.

Don't show people who have gone bust, or have a persistent bad payment record to the point where they're more trouble than they're worth (same with poor delivery performance).

Don't show those who refuse to put a full name or address on their profile, or who generally don't look right.

Don't show people who we hear (reliably) aren't good for the reputation of mtvan, or are just here to troll the site.

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Hope this clears it up. As many many people on here have said many times, it's better to have quality than quantity, and that means not showing everyone.

Who said owt about being a 'tough guy'. I never mentioned being tough, just not afraid to knock on a door.

East-Lancs Sameday Couriers Ltd said:

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587 members, it seems to get lower everytime i look at the directory. When i first joined, there was over 2000

The Expert's got five times as many now - joining here was a good investment for him. Maybe he's the number 2 site now?

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East-Lancs Sameday Couriers Ltd said:

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587 members, it seems to get lower everytime i look at the directory. When i first joined, there was over 2000

The Expert's got five times as many now - joining here was a good investment for him. Maybe he's the number 2 site now?

You may have a point Dennis. I have noticed he doesn't post as much on here anymore

East-Lancs Sameday Couriers Ltd said:

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Dennis said:

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East-Lancs Sameday Couriers Ltd said:

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587 members, it seems to get lower everytime i look at the directory. When i first joined, there was over 2000

The Expert's got five times as many now - joining here was a good investment for him. Maybe he's the number 2 site now?

You may have a point Dennis. I have noticed he doesn't post as much on here anymore

Love em or hate em the expert is definately the number 2 site right now - very difficult to get a job off the site because there's so many members competing for the same jobs - but credit due where its deserved the expert pays on time all the time so your not left thinking will i get paid end of the month - im currently chasing 2 members of mtvan for overdue invoices