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Walsh Logistics

2596
Original Poster

Following on from the other thread.. It surprises me how many courier Firms and owner drivers i speak too have never heard of mtvan .Yet know all about cx

For this site to grow a proper marketing strategy needs to be implemented to encourage the hundreds of potential members to sign up and post jobs for the thousands of owner drivers who are looking for the work.

Courier Exchange actively seeks out members with their sales call ( how did they get my number?)

[name] /[name] the site is at a crossroads.. Invest time and Money on moving forward or get lost in the tailwind of those sites who are being more pro-active.

Mason Group

1161

Walsh Logistics said:


Following on from the other thread.. It surprises me how many courier Firms and owner drivers i speak too have never heard of mtvan .Yet know all about cx

For this site to grow a proper marketing strategy needs to be implemented to encourage the hundreds of potential members to sign up and post jobs for the thousands of owner drivers who are looking for the work.

Courier Exchange actively seeks out members with their sales call ( how did they get my number?)

[name] /[name] the site is at a crossroads.. Invest time and Money on moving forward or get lost in the tailwind of those sites who are being more pro-active.

It would be a good move for this site to contact [name] from Anyvan and tie in with them.

Taylor Logistics

2848

[name] You would be better off spending your time listening to Everton on the radio than trying to convince the many who have no interest in anything other than URGENT work.

Mind it would be boring as they are playing an equally awful team [Villa] pity both can't lose

:)

Mason Group

1161

[business] said:


[name] You would be better off spending your time listening to Everton on the radio than trying to convince the many who have no interest in anything other than URGENT work.

Mind it would be boring as they are playing an equally awful team [Villa] pity both can't lose

:)

[name] I am listening to the mighty blues, as usual when it comes to football you are miles out, take a look at the premier league table.
And not trying to convince anyone just stating the obvious really that it could be a winner if mtvan tied into Anyvan

Russell Group

3617

[business] said:


[business] said:


[name] You would be better off spending your time listening to Everton on the radio than trying to convince the many who have no interest in anything other than URGENT work.

Mind it would be boring as they are playing an equally awful team [Villa] pity both can't lose

:)

[name] I am listening to the mighty blues, as usual when it comes to football you are miles out, take a look at the premier league table.
And not trying to convince anyone just stating the obvious really that it could be a winner if mtvan tied into Anyvan

That would be a conflict of interest I think.

Mason Group

1161

Maybe Mr Gas, but better to be with them than against them.

Long Services

10314

That seems to be a theme of yours. There is a third option that clealy doesn't register with you, namely to co exist as two seperate entities.

You seem to take the view that if someone disagrees then they are wrong, or "talk bollox".

It is possible to have a different opinion without being wrong. An opinion is just that, someone's opinion, and your rather crass responses to some is both insulting, and shows an element of arrogance on your part.

May I remind you that the reputation you value, which you kindly shared from your anyvan profile, could well be tarnished from some of your more colourful responses on this forum. A forum that is not password protected, a forum that is open for all to see, your customers included.

Russell Group

3617

Long Services said:


That seems to be a theme of yours. There is a third option that clealy doesn't register with you, namely to co exist as two seperate entities.

You seem to take the view that if someone disagrees then they are wrong, or "talk bollox".

It is possible to have a different opinion without being wrong. An opinion is just that, someone's opinion, and your rather crass responses to some is both insulting, and shows an element of arrogance on your part.

May I remind you that the reputation you value, which you kindly shared from your anyvan profile, could well be tarnished from some of your more colourful responses on this forum. A forum that is not password protected, a forum that is open for all to see, your customers included.

And the nodding dog agrees word for word... ;)

Long Services

10314

Woof woof... lol

Sims & Sons

1029

I third it!

mtvan is supposedly meant to be for the "professional" courier and professional courier companies.

That is it's original premise, indeed it is what it still states on it's landing page.

This is a service which is clearly different from the service that the average Joe with something to send or the eBay mob are looking for.

No self respecting company with a reputation to protect would ever consider using a mere lifestyle delivery driver.

Just as no self respecting professional courier would ever consider paying out so much for their van, insurances and maintenance just to run about collecting second hand goods for a a few quid, or even brand new stuff from Argos et all for just £5.

The direction that mtvan has recently chosen to take is extremely dissapointing and I hope that those who are new to the industry and looking for information and advice about the courier industry do not fall in to the trap of thinking that jobs such as this at rates like that is what courier work is all about.

I have only been a self employed courier for just over two years now and I have worked for many different clients. I followed the conventional wisdom to begin with ie, quoting cheaply to get a foot in the door etc, then quickly realised that it was unworkable.

Over the two years I have culled my client list to the point that I now have only two clients! This was mainly due to working through the various clients and finding out who where the best to work with, the quality of work offered and the fastest to pay out.

I quickly weed out the bullshitters, late payers and companies that only call me when they are up against a wall on a Friday afternoon but still expect it to be done at the basic price and stop working for them.

I don't do co-loads as my customers require that their goods are delivered from A to B directly.

I sometimes look for back loads once I have made my original delivery, depending on the time of day that I clear, but I always charge enough to ensure that whether I get a back load or not my whole trip has been worth the time and money spent doing it. So whether I get a back load is 100% irrelevant to me.

I don't even pick up my van key for less than £25. (which covers the first 33 miles).

Even with all the above rules which to many may seem very blinkered and limiting, I still pull in between £300-£500 most weeks.

I should point out that I am in a slightly better position than most owner drivers as I have very low living costs so this works well for me, even with the odd week where I hardly do anything.

The companies that employ my service value and respect the service and professionalism that I provide such that I am never asked for a cheaper quote.

In fact, as mentioned by another member in an unrelated post, my clients never even discuss price. They just call me and say, "[name] can you get to A and pick up X going to B?". My stock answer being, "Yes, no problem!".

My main point here is that if you as an owner driver have paid for a decent van, the relevant insurances and do a solid professional job then any courier company worth it's salt will be prepared to pay you a proper decent going rate and use you again on a regular basis and pay you on time with no haggling involved.

You will find the genuine courier companies out there that deal with genuine urgent/critical deliveries for which a proper rate paid to the owner driver is an integral part of the whole process.

If you need to run around picking up 10 different things for £5-£10 a time to make it worth your while then you are working too hard, and you won't be able to provide the level of service that a genuine courier company requires.

You all just have to decide whether you wish to be a courier or a delivery driver.

They are two completely different things.

Pearson Direct

463

[name] said:


I third it!

mtvan is supposedly meant to be for the "professional" courier and professional courier companies.

That is it's original premise, indeed it is what it still states on it's landing page.

This is a service which is clearly different from the service that the average Joe with something to send or the eBay mob are looking for.

No self respecting company with a reputation to protect would ever consider using a mere lifestyle delivery driver.

Just as no self respecting professional courier would ever consider paying out so much for their van, insurances and maintenance just to run about collecting second hand goods for a a few quid, or even brand new stuff from Argos et all for just £5.

The direction that mtvan has recently chosen to take is extremely dissapointing and I hope that those who are new to the industry and looking for information and advice about the courier industry do not fall in to the trap of thinking that jobs such as this at rates like that is what courier work is all about.

I have only been a self employed courier for just over two years now and I have worked for many different clients. I followed the conventional wisdom to begin with ie, quoting cheaply to get a foot in the door etc, then quickly realised that it was unworkable.

Over the two years I have culled my client list to the point that I now have only two clients! This was mainly due to working through the various clients and finding out who where the best to work with, the quality of work offered and the fastest to pay out.

I quickly weed out the bullshitters, late payers and companies that only call me when they are up against a wall on a Friday afternoon but still expect it to be done at the basic price and stop working for them.

I don't do co-loads as my customers require that their goods are delivered from A to B directly.

I sometimes look for back loads once I have made my original delivery, depending on the time of day that I clear, but I always charge enough to ensure that whether I get a back load or not my whole trip has been worth the time and money spent doing it. So whether I get a back load is 100% irrelevant to me.

I don't even pick up my van key for less than £25. (which covers the first 33 miles).

Even with all the above rules which to many may seem very blinkered and limiting, I still pull in between £300-£500 most weeks.

I should point out that I am in a slightly better position than most owner drivers as I have very low living costs so this works well for me, even with the odd week where I hardly do anything.

The companies that employ my service value and respect the service and professionalism that I provide such that I am never asked for a cheaper quote.

In fact, as mentioned by another member in an unrelated post, my clients never even discuss price. They just call me and say, "[name] can you get to A and pick up X going to B?". My stock answer being, "Yes, no problem!".

My main point here is that if you as an owner driver have paid for a decent van, the relevant insurances and do a solid professional job then any courier company worth it's salt will be prepared to pay you a proper decent going rate and use you again on a regular basis and pay you on time with no haggling involved.

You will find the genuine courier companies out there that deal with genuine urgent/critical deliveries for which a proper rate paid to the owner driver is an integral part of the whole process.

If you need to run around picking up 10 different things for £5-£10 a time to make it worth your while then you are working too hard, and you won't be able to provide the level of service that a genuine courier company requires.

You all just have to decide whether you wish to be a courier or a delivery driver.

They are two completely different things.

WELL SAID

Watson Express

1737

Spot on [name]!

Yates Services

699

Very well put [name]!

Thorpe & Sons

5507

I don't think I could've put it better myself [name]. Everything you put there is just common sense and if people done there homework, then I don't think we would be having this conversation.

Russell Group

3617

Mason Group said:


Maybe Mr Gas, but better to be with them than against them.

I dont know why your so concerned, after all you are on wind down ready for retiring from this Job.

Mason Group

1161

[name] said:


I third it!

mtvan is supposedly meant to be for the "professional" courier and professional courier companies.

That is it's original premise, indeed it is what it still states on it's landing page.

This is a service which is clearly different from the service that the average Joe with something to send or the eBay mob are looking for.

No self respecting company with a reputation to protect would ever consider using a mere lifestyle delivery driver.

Just as no self respecting professional courier would ever consider paying out so much for their van, insurances and maintenance just to run about collecting second hand goods for a a few quid, or even brand new stuff from Argos et all for just £5.

The direction that mtvan has recently chosen to take is extremely dissapointing and I hope that those who are new to the industry and looking for information and advice about the courier industry do not fall in to the trap of thinking that jobs such as this at rates like that is what courier work is all about.

I have only been a self employed courier for just over two years now and I have worked for many different clients. I followed the conventional wisdom to begin with ie, quoting cheaply to get a foot in the door etc, then quickly realised that it was unworkable.

Over the two years I have culled my client list to the point that I now have only two clients! This was mainly due to working through the various clients and finding out who where the best to work with, the quality of work offered and the fastest to pay out.

I quickly weed out the bullshitters, late payers and companies that only call me when they are up against a wall on a Friday afternoon but still expect it to be done at the basic price and stop working for them.

I don't do co-loads as my customers require that their goods are delivered from A to B directly.

I sometimes look for back loads once I have made my original delivery, depending on the time of day that I clear, but I always charge enough to ensure that whether I get a back load or not my whole trip has been worth the time and money spent doing it. So whether I get a back load is 100% irrelevant to me.

I don't even pick up my van key for less than £25. (which covers the first 33 miles).

Even with all the above rules which to many may seem very blinkered and limiting, I still pull in between £300-£500 most weeks.

I should point out that I am in a slightly better position than most owner drivers as I have very low living costs so this works well for me, even with the odd week where I hardly do anything.

The companies that employ my service value and respect the service and professionalism that I provide such that I am never asked for a cheaper quote.

In fact, as mentioned by another member in an unrelated post, my clients never even discuss price. They just call me and say, "[name] can you get to A and pick up X going to B?". My stock answer being, "Yes, no problem!".

My main point here is that if you as an owner driver have paid for a decent van, the relevant insurances and do a solid professional job then any courier company worth it's salt will be prepared to pay you a proper decent going rate and use you again on a regular basis and pay you on time with no haggling involved.

You will find the genuine courier companies out there that deal with genuine urgent/critical deliveries for which a proper rate paid to the owner driver is an integral part of the whole process.

If you need to run around picking up 10 different things for £5-£10 a time to make it worth your while then you are working too hard, and you won't be able to provide the level of service that a genuine courier company requires.

You all just have to decide whether you wish to be a courier or a delivery driver.

They are two completely different things.

I wouldn't get out of bed for £300-£500 per week, a good co loader can triple that, or do you mean £300-£500 per day?

Mason Group

1161

Long Services said:


That seems to be a theme of yours. There is a third option that clealy doesn't register with you, namely to co exist as two seperate entities.

You seem to take the view that if someone disagrees then they are wrong, or "talk bollox".

It is possible to have a different opinion without being wrong. An opinion is just that, someone's opinion, and your rather crass responses to some is both insulting, and shows an element of arrogance on your part.

May I remind you that the reputation you value, which you kindly shared from your anyvan profile, could well be tarnished from some of your more colourful responses on this forum. A forum that is not password protected, a forum that is open for all to see, your customers included.

What are you on about? All I have done is in reply to Mr G suggesting a tie up with Anyvan. :-) as for my reputation work wise it was the best on courier exchange, well respected on Shed 5 for subbing out lots of work, decent on here if you check it and one of the best on Anyvan and also Shiply, oh and by the way I've been banned on bigger and better sites than this for speaking the truth. And I never shared my profile as that was a snippet Anyvan have on their search pages.

Mason Group

1161

[business] said:


Mason Group said:


Maybe Mr Gas, but better to be with them than against them.

I dont know why your so concerned, after all you are on wind down ready for retiring from this Job.

What makes you think I'm concerned? I'm just stating the obvious and as has already been pointed out to me, people are entitled to their opinions.

Watson Express

1737

I wouldn't get out of bed for £300-£500 per week, a good co loader can triple that, or do you mean £300-£500 per day?

I missed that bit. Surely that's net profit after fuel, etc per week?

Mason Group

1161

In reply to tis statement you made No self respecting company with a reputation to protect would ever consider using a mere lifestyle delivery driver.

DHL Used to give me 20 Sameday jobs per week for many years .

Just as no self respecting professional courier would ever consider paying out so much for their van, insurances and maintenance just to run about collecting second hand goods for a a few quid, or even brand new stuff from Argos et all for just £5. My Two year old Mercedes sprinter luton with tail lift cost me £12k fully insured and serviced every month and if I feel up to it full of second hand goods for a two day run to the value of approx £1500,,,,,,, so what's your point?

Walsh Logistics

2596
Original Poster

[name] i think you are getting me confused with someone else. I am Mr G he is Mr gas

Sims & Sons

1029

[business] said:


In reply to tis statement you made No self respecting company with a reputation to protect would ever consider using a mere lifestyle delivery driver.

DHL Used to give me 20 Sameday jobs per week for many years .

Just as no self respecting professional courier would ever consider paying out so much for their van, insurances and maintenance just to run about collecting second hand goods for a a few quid, or even brand new stuff from Argos et all for just £5. My Two year old Mercedes sprinter luton with tail lift cost me £12k fully insured and serviced every month and if I feel up to it full of second hand goods for a two day run to the value of approx £1500,,,,,,, so what's your point?

My point is that you are a delivery driver, not a courier.

Sims & Sons

1029

[business] said:


[name] said:


I third it!

mtvan is supposedly meant to be for the "professional" courier and professional courier companies.

That is it's original premise, indeed it is what it still states on it's landing page.

This is a service which is clearly different from the service that the average Joe with something to send or the eBay mob are looking for.

No self respecting company with a reputation to protect would ever consider using a mere lifestyle delivery driver.

Just as no self respecting professional courier would ever consider paying out so much for their van, insurances and maintenance just to run about collecting second hand goods for a a few quid, or even brand new stuff from Argos et all for just £5.

The direction that mtvan has recently chosen to take is extremely dissapointing and I hope that those who are new to the industry and looking for information and advice about the courier industry do not fall in to the trap of thinking that jobs such as this at rates like that is what courier work is all about.

I have only been a self employed courier for just over two years now and I have worked for many different clients. I followed the conventional wisdom to begin with ie, quoting cheaply to get a foot in the door etc, then quickly realised that it was unworkable.

Over the two years I have culled my client list to the point that I now have only two clients! This was mainly due to working through the various clients and finding out who where the best to work with, the quality of work offered and the fastest to pay out.

I quickly weed out the bullshitters, late payers and companies that only call me when they are up against a wall on a Friday afternoon but still expect it to be done at the basic price and stop working for them.

I don't do co-loads as my customers require that their goods are delivered from A to B directly.

I sometimes look for back loads once I have made my original delivery, depending on the time of day that I clear, but I always charge enough to ensure that whether I get a back load or not my whole trip has been worth the time and money spent doing it. So whether I get a back load is 100% irrelevant to me.

I don't even pick up my van key for less than £25. (which covers the first 33 miles).

Even with all the above rules which to many may seem very blinkered and limiting, I still pull in between £300-£500 most weeks.

I should point out that I am in a slightly better position than most owner drivers as I have very low living costs so this works well for me, even with the odd week where I hardly do anything.

The companies that employ my service value and respect the service and professionalism that I provide such that I am never asked for a cheaper quote.

In fact, as mentioned by another member in an unrelated post, my clients never even discuss price. They just call me and say, "[name] can you get to A and pick up X going to B?". My stock answer being, "Yes, no problem!".

My main point here is that if you as an owner driver have paid for a decent van, the relevant insurances and do a solid professional job then any courier company worth it's salt will be prepared to pay you a proper decent going rate and use you again on a regular basis and pay you on time with no haggling involved.

You will find the genuine courier companies out there that deal with genuine urgent/critical deliveries for which a proper rate paid to the owner driver is an integral part of the whole process.

If you need to run around picking up 10 different things for £5-£10 a time to make it worth your while then you are working too hard, and you won't be able to provide the level of service that a genuine courier company requires.

You all just have to decide whether you wish to be a courier or a delivery driver.

They are two completely different things.

I wouldn't get out of bed for £300-£500 per week, a good co loader can triple that, or do you mean £300-£500 per day?

I would suggest that you stay in your bed and the nurse will be along shortly. There is no such thing as a good co-loader in the urgent sameday courier industry.

Sims & Sons

1029

Watson Express said:


I wouldn't get out of bed for £300-£500 per week, a good co loader can triple that, or do you mean £300-£500 per day?

I missed that bit. Surely that's net profit after fuel, etc per week?

Yes, [business]. That's net profit.

Watson Express

1737

Not too bad then.

Wood & Sons

3440

[business] said:


Not too bad then.

You earn that a day!

Watson Express

1737

Shhh. I wanted [name] to feel good..

Sims & Sons

1029

Lol, I'm quite happy with what I earn. I live quite well from it and I'm not knackering myself out doing it either :-)

Watson Express

1737

Good on you [name]. If you fancy putting your feet up any time I'll help you if I can, I'm only round the corner.

Sims & Sons

1029

[business] said:


In reply to tis statement you made No self respecting company with a reputation to protect would ever consider using a mere lifestyle delivery driver.

DHL Used to give me 20 Sameday jobs per week for many years .

Just as no self respecting professional courier would ever consider paying out so much for their van, insurances and maintenance just to run about collecting second hand goods for a a few quid, or even brand new stuff from Argos et all for just £5. My Two year old Mercedes sprinter luton with tail lift cost me £12k fully insured and serviced every month and if I feel up to it full of second hand goods for a two day run to the value of approx £1500,,,,,,, so what's your point?

I was eluding to the fact that none of the major companies would ever place their work on sites such as AnyVan or Shiply.

Mason Group

1161

[name] said:


[business] said:


In reply to tis statement you made No self respecting company with a reputation to protect would ever consider using a mere lifestyle delivery driver.

DHL Used to give me 20 Sameday jobs per week for many years .

Just as no self respecting professional courier would ever consider paying out so much for their van, insurances and maintenance just to run about collecting second hand goods for a a few quid, or even brand new stuff from Argos et all for just £5. My Two year old Mercedes sprinter luton with tail lift cost me £12k fully insured and serviced every month and if I feel up to it full of second hand goods for a two day run to the value of approx £1500,,,,,,, so what's your point?

My point is that you are a delivery driver, not a courier.

Oh yes they DO and more will follow, oh blinkered person.

Walsh Logistics

2596
Original Poster

I keep hearing a lot about anyvan where do I sign up?

Watkins Services

1152

I signed up to anyvan about 6 months ago to see what all the fuss is about & bid on one job, which I won. Since then I do at least two runs a month from Banbury to either Bolton or Garforth company to company for the same customer who pays me the going rate no questions asked. I asked him why he put work on there amongst all the sofas & other tat, he said he didn't know there were exchanges for 'real couriers'.

I don't use anyvan, but I think if you can be bothered to trawl through the tat there are genuine companies who are looking for Same Day/urgent work to be covered & happy to pay for it, the problem is there are to many 'uninsured' types quoting ridiculous prices for real jobs.

Goddard Couriers

817

I dont think its a case of uninsured just some are giving silly prices which are beyond viable

But as [name] says there are companies on there that do pay a good rate. For instance i qupted for move from a house to a flat aprox 30 miles for 2 men and it went for under 45 pounds i do wonder sometimes at some of the prices quoted but on the other hand it is woerh wading through the tat

Wood & Sons

3440

You can also move dogs, if you don't mind them crapping in your van.

Website Admin

5839

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