How would you class

Been asked to take 18 barrels of beer down to the Reading Beer Festival would you class this a ADR or not, the only problem is its from my local brewery & they do some really nice hand pulled beers.

Hayward Couriers said:

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Strange that, I have quoted for a number of jobs over the last few weeks, both sameday and economic all at what I considered to be decent rates. How many was I successful with? Absolutely NONE. Is that because the jobs were never there in the first place or did they go for a price even lower than mine? If I got much lower I would end up either paying for the privilege of doing the job or pushing my van there and back to cut down on running costs. I really do wonder how the winners of these jobs (if there are any winners) actually make enough to make it pay. How many jobs do I need to go after in order to get one? If, as you say, you are loosing 200 jobs a month as you say you are why are you loosing them? Surely it can't be because the labour rates are too high! So the problem must be elsewhere. It cant be because you have no couriers to cover it if there are 3000 on your register, unless all the free members (the ones without their own insurances etc) are all working in their normal full time jobs because they only do courier work as a part time business. It can't be because you dont have the office staff to manage and allocate the work. So why are you turning these jobs away? Are they really there in the first place? Every notification I have had from CE asks me to apply by phone or apply through the website.

A) I cannot and will not phone a premium rate number from a mobile and B) It is extremely dangerous or might even be illegal to attempt to access a website whilst driving. If I were to pull up to do either every time I got an alert I would probably do about 120 miles a day as opposed to the 300 or so I need to even make ends meet (assuming half of these are dead miles)

As to your claim of this being a well paid job, it isn't really. I was earning more than what I am today 25 years ago. As were a lot of other people. This is really hard mind numbing work and people like us (couriers) make people like you (courier companies) a fair bit of money. (Andy, as i have stated before, I am not really bothered what you earn and hats off to you for coming up with the idea) but maybe its time to be a little fairer. Amazingly enough, when i had a business I had 26 people working for the company and we treated them very well-in return they worked their nads off and did very well for the company in return -swings and roundabouts etc.

I cannot give you precise answers without looking at specific jobs individually, but we all know the economy jobs are a bidding process, so they either go to the cheapest bidder on courier expert, or the cheapest bidder from another website they may have advertised the load on.

And yes, we really do turn jobs away. It doesn't matter how many office staff I have, if there is no available courier, then we can't do the delivery, end of story. However, I can assure you it pains me to turn down these jobs and every day, I am working on ways to solve this problem.

As for what I earn, well i can assure you my tax return will show that I earn't even less than Speed's worst case scenario for a CE courier doing 80,000 miles a year!

Andy

You'll need a second person ;-)

Long Services said:

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Whilst neither accusing, assuming, alluding, conspiring or god forbid even stating a fact, in my own personal opinion which is nothing more than my personal opinion and cannot be supposed to be neither accusation, allusion, conspiracy or fact or even opinion of anyone else in the world either alive in the present, past nor those who may allegedly, actually possibly or imaginably be born in the future, currently gestating, in state of pre or post-conception, whether intended to be retained or otherwise,

I may just have to steal this... Lol

Be my guest [name] :-)

Maybe the site "moderator" is away on an easter break?

Well my mate has the coolers & hand pump so your right there may be a few barrels down when we get there

11's, or 22's, or 36's?

The question needs asking...

9's from small independent brewers,

There can be pressure build up buy nothing to worry about.

9's are ok they weigh around 45 - 50 kgs each just a dead weight